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I was wondering if ASUS multi core enhancement and Intel Turbo mode needs to be enabled at all times? If I disable those options my CPU speed is locked to 4 GHz although I put in a 45 multiplier..
if you disable turbo mode your CPU will not load turbo multipliers so it will lock at the highest non-turbo multi. ASUS core enhancement is a version of the native Intel core enhancement. If you disable ASUS CE, INtel CE is still operating.. until you set a multiplier higher than the Stock max turbo multiplier. Once you OC the rig, neither are operating (or relevant).
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Praz, an oscilloscope is time a measuring device that can be calibrated to read A/C-D/C and is extremely accurate, more so than any analog or DMM that I know. Also, I didn't "allude" to using a scope. I said it was risky and should be used by knowledgeable people. I don't see why you're getting snarky with me. In my own defense, I've probably spent more time poking around in radar and countermeasures equipment then you have days on this planet. If you want to advise someone to jump in there and muck around in something you can't fix anyway, then that's all on you. If the motherboard is new, one can always return the product.

Hello

A scope "can" be more accurate than a DMM. All other things being equal which is more accurate would depend on the ADC resolution and the noise floor of the frontend. A normal computer user with no in-depth knowledge of electronics that possess both a scope and a DMM would be more likely get results that are more accurate when using the DMM because of the cost difference between the two components.

If there was no intention of alluding to a scope being safer when probing a circuit I'm not sure why you would word the post as you did. Regardless, what I previously wrote still stands. A person with only a casual interest in electronics that owns a scope would most likely have either a USB or AC Mains powered scope with basic probes. In this case a DMM would offer added protection over the use of a scope when blindly probing circuits that are not understood. However, with your vast knowledge and experience I'll refrain from boring you as to why this is so.
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Well, after 76 years on this planet I've been around the block a few times myself. I didn't mean to upset you as I was referring to posts 4951 & 4952. With today's surface mount technology its just to easy to make a mistake if you are not extremely careful and 'in the know'. Again, I apologize for coming on as obtuse.
Good for you. There are many folks on this board that are very talented & helpful, and that is what originally drew me here.
I used to sit with a scope and troubleshoot circuit boards all day long. Eventually I tired of it and went on to R&D in another field. But I don't claim to know everything about electronics, very far from it.

I just don't like when people make statements that everyone else is stupid (more money than brains) and have no common sense. I should know better by now but every now and then I can't help myself but to respond. You'll hear nothing else from me on the matter.
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"A person with only a casual interest in electronics that owns a scope would most likely have either a USB or AC Mains powered scope with basic probes. In this case a DMM would offer added protection over the use of a scope when blindly probing circuits that are not understood". - Thank you, you made my point. Unless you are a repair facility you should not poke around on the motherboard, period, if you value it. Also, who would "blindly probe" anything possessing electrical properties, and please explain your thoughts on the DMM being superior to a scope in this instance.

"However, with your vast knowledge and experience I'll refrain from boring you as to why this is so". Thank you for your words, and I'll assume you weren't attempting to be factious. Also, where can I get see this USB scope that you referred to?
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Amen! If there's any takeaway here it's probably never play the "age card" in a technically oriented forum.
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Good for you. There are many folks on this board that are very talented & helpful, and that is what originally drew me here.
I used to sit with a scope and troubleshoot circuit boards all day long. Eventually I tired of it and went on to R&D in another field. But I don't claim to know everything about electronics, very far from it.

I just don't like when people make statements that everyone else is stupid (more money than brains) and have no common sense. I should know better by now but every now and then I can't help myself but to respond. You'll hear nothing else from me on the matter.

Let's get something straight - I never said "everyone else is stupid" and I'll stick by my observation of "more money than brains". That statement was made in hopes of discouraging someone from unknowingly doing great harm to their motherboard. There is nothing you can "fix" on that board to begin with unless you are a bonafide repair person or facility. It's one thing if your are a qualified technician and quite another if a just user, enthusiast, or a hobbyist. If you possess the repair talents then all of this doesn't apply to you. I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone to muck around on the $300 (+) motherboard with a meter or a scope in hopes of discovering the source of an some low voltage indication which more than likely has its roots in the BIOS/EUFI setting anyway.
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If I plug my headphones into the rear IO, as opposed to the front panel, I know I lose the benefit of the Sonic SenseAMP but does that also mean it doesn't use the RC4580 2Vrms Headphone Amp? Without the Sonic SenseAMP, will I not be able to drive high impedance headphones? What can the rear IO drive in terms of impedance?
My board is a Maximus VIII Hero.

I'm getting noise from my front panel audio that I can't seem to isolate.

I contacted ASUS support by phone but the man I spoke with didn't know a thing other than the Sonic SenseAMP only works in front panel.

@Raja@ASUS help?
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if you disable turbo mode your CPU will not load turbo multipliers so it will lock at the highest non-turbo multi.
But that would mean that it would go to 4,5 GHz which is what I set the CPU speed to..
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ASUS core enhancement is a version of the native Intel core enhancement. If you disable ASUS CE, INtel CE is still operating.. until you set a multiplier higher than the Stock max turbo multiplier.
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Once you OC the rig, neither are operating (or relevant).
Yeah but it doesn't.. That means Asus has this weird turbo is the oc speed thing?
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But that would mean that it would go to 4,5 GHz which is what I set the CPU speed to..

Yeah but it doesn't.. That means Asus has this weird turbo is the oc speed thing?
well of course.
wut? you are confused. Enable Turbo and speedstep (EIST). ACE or ICE - just leave this on auto... the MB will operate correctly. It's probably best to not change settings in bios unless you actually know what they do.. right?
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well of course.
wut? you are confused. Enable Turbo and speedstep (EIST). ACE or ICE - just leave this on auto... the MB will operate correctly. It's probably best to not change settings in bios unless you actually know what they do.. right?

Of course I am confused. This is the first time I came across something like this. Why cant I just overclock with the Turbo mode disabled? I dont get why I need ACE and Turbo mode enabled. It should be bclk*multi=CPU speed... Not bclk*multi+turbo=CPU speed.
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