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how good is liquid ultra long term durability? lets say after 5 years?

As long as it doesnt move and break the bond i would think you can leave it on for a long time. If you remove the block/heatsink you might need to reapply but thats about it.
    
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As long as it doesnt move and break the bond i would think you can leave it on for a long time. If you remove the block/heatsink you might need to reapply but thats about it.

I have never used liquid metal before but I would assume it is just like any other thermal paste that if you removed your heatsink etc you will need to clean and reapply as standard procedure.

One benefit I found yesterday is a happier partner with no longer needing a jet/ helicopter in my PC even at ambient. I can now run my de-lidded i5 6600 with the fans staying never 450 RPMs through out the computer and just stay 2 to 3 degrees above ambient when browser. I now have a very aggressive super quiet fan profile. Even under moderate load the PC is so quiet to me now. The fans only really ramp up now if I am bench marking or stressing the CPU.

I am hoping my cpu temps will be even better once the CLU arrives. Does it have cure time?

I had recently done the "red mod" to one of my R9 290X which was great until I pushed the overclock way to far. Used an old Siedron 120 on the r9 290x bolt on option. Will see what I can do once it goes through RMA.
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I have never used liquid metal before but I would assume it is just like any other thermal paste that if you removed your heatsink etc you will need to clean and reapply as standard procedure.

One benefit I found yesterday is a happier partner with no longer needing a jet/ helicopter in my PC even at ambient. I can now run my de-lidded i5 6600 with the fans staying never 450 RPMs through out the computer and just stay 2 to 3 degrees above ambient when browser. I now have a very aggressive super quiet fan profile. Even under moderate load the PC is so quiet to me now. The fans only really ramp up now if I am bench marking or stressing the CPU.

I am hoping my cpu temps will be even better once the CLU arrives. Does it have cure time?

I had recently done the "red mod" to one of my R9 290X which was great until I pushed the overclock way to far. Used an old Siedron 120 on the r9 290x bolt on option. Will see what I can do once it goes through RMA.

CLU on a die USUALLY doesnt get you crazy better temps then a TIM would, theres a lot of variables though but for me it was maybe 1-2°C cooler on a bare die which gets rid of the IHS as a variable. If your IHS>die contact is poor CLU is so much thicker that it will fill it in better and get way better temps. If the contact is really good wont see much difference.

Another thing is how flat your IHS and waterblock/heatsinks are. The flatter and better matched both of them are the temps will be even better. If they are both already fairly flat you wont see much difference.

Most people will prob see a bigger difference going from flat ihs/heatsink to convex rather then TIM to LM. In my case going from TIM (2 different ones tested for a few days) to CLU i ddin't see much EXCEPT in long term reliability. TIMs on bare die don't see to last very long once the silicone is removed.
    
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CLU on a die USUALLY doesnt get you crazy better temps then a TIM would, theres a lot of variables though but for me it was maybe 1-2°C cooler on a bare die which gets rid of the IHS as a variable. If your IHS>die contact is poor CLU is so much thicker that it will fill it in better and get way better temps. If the contact is really good wont see much difference.

Another thing is how flat your IHS and waterblock/heatsinks are. The flatter and better matched both of them are the temps will be even better. If they are both already fairly flat you wont see much difference.

Most people will prob see a bigger difference going from flat ihs/heatsink to convex rather then TIM to LM. In my case going from TIM (2 different ones tested for a few days) to CLU i ddin't see much EXCEPT in long term reliability. TIMs on bare die don't see to last very long once the silicone is removed.

This is the first CPU I have ever de-lidded. Going way back to using the Pencil trick on the first Athlon lol. The liquid metal is all new to me. I thought about using bare die but not worked the nerve up yet. The CLU should be here Monday or Tuesday. I think I still need to clean the IHS and CPU better not quite sure I got off the silicon sealant gunk off. I was kind of afraid of using too much pressure on the cpu wafer as it is so damn thin.

My AIO heatsink is the H110GT so it seems pretty flat. Right now core 1 and core 3 run about 10 degrees higher under load so pretty sure my TIM job was bad. Debating whether to leave as is until the CLU arrives or do another TIM job today.
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This is the first CPU I have ever de-lidded. Going way back to using the Pencil trick on the first Athlon lol. The liquid metal is all new to me. I thought about using bare die but not worked the nerve up yet. The CLU should be here Monday or Tuesday. I think I still need to clean the IHS and CPU better not quite sure I got off the silicon sealant gunk off. I was kind of afraid of using too much pressure on the cpu wafer as it is so damn thin.

My AIO heatsink is the H110GT so it seems pretty flat. Right now core 1 and core 3 run about 10 degrees higher under load so pretty sure my TIM job was bad. Debating whether to leave as is until the CLU arrives or do another TIM job today.

Id leave it for now. Idk what it is but almost every TIM on bare die doesnt seem to last long or sometimes not at all. i think its just the fact that its too thin. The intel TIM seems to be pretty thick and my guess would be thats why.
    
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Id leave it for now. Idk what it is but almost every TIM on bare die doesnt seem to last long or sometimes not at all. i think its just the fact that its too thin. The intel TIM seems to be pretty thick and my guess would be thats why.

Well right now I am a bit limited anyhow in overclocking it, since what I thought was issues with my motherboard turned out to be just a faulty PSU. It is at EVGA RMA right now, so using my spare back up CM CX 750M ( ROFL) So the temps are not really an issue and I do not really want to stress test much or long periods due to the strain on the back up PSU.

I think I will be able to hit 4.9 or even 5.0 on the CPU stable once the PSU gets back.

I should expect better temperature results when I apply the CLU.

Does the CLU / Liquid metal have a curing time?
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CLU doesn't have curing time I think
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CLU wont have a cure time, and you dont want to use paste tim on bare die for couple reasons:
1) As bluej511 alluded Intel's paste tim application is purposely thick to allow it to last 10+ years of thermal cycling without suffering from pumpout. In the 3770k/4770/4790k delid threads, those that used paste for tim1 all suffered worsing cpu temp over time from "pump out" with many different paste tims, and often temps climbed to worse than prior to delid.

2) Aside from "Idontcare" on anandtech forum and bluej511 who reported similar temps with liquid metal and paste, most others that delidded and tried both paste and liquid metal got much better temps with liquid metal. Mine was 11C drop with paste (effect of thinner application) and 22C drop with liquid metal, and I tried with PK1 and NTH1 and varying pressures for paste. For tim2 (ihs to cooling block) the tim doesnt matter much as the surface area is large which minimizes the effect of thermal conductance of tim, at die level surface area is much smaller, which magnifies the effect of thermal conductance of tim.

My testing on my 4790k here post 15.
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CLU wont have a cure time, and you dont want to use paste tim on bare die for couple reasons:
1) As bluej511 alluded Intel's paste tim application is purposely thick to allow it to last 10+ years of thermal cycling without suffering from pumpout. In the 3770k/4770/4790k delid threads, those that used paste for tim1 all suffered worsing cpu temp over time from "pump out" with many different paste tims, and often temps climbed to worse than prior to delid.

2) Aside from "Idontcare" on anandtech forum and bluej511 who reported similar temps with liquid metal and paste, most others that delidded and tried both paste and liquid metal got much better temps with liquid metal. Mine was 11C drop with paste (effect of thinner application) and 22C drop with liquid metal, and I tried with PK1 and NTH1 and varying pressures for paste. For tim2 (ihs to cooling block) the tim doesnt matter much as the surface area is large which minimizes the effect of thermal conductance of tim, at die level surface area is much smaller, which magnifies the effect of thermal conductance of tim.

My testing on my 4790k here post 15.

1. Yes the intel tim is thicker but the silicone gap is only .06mm which is TINY so its not that thick. I suffered pump out within a day or two and again running BARE DIE. Again its a bit different then using the IHS.

2. Again running bare die, this eliminates any issues with the IHS being flat or concave or convex or lapping both sides. This is bare die straight contact. With clu and IHS 53°C with bare die and CLU 46°C.

Most people thing bare die is smaller so it matters more. The issue is it dissipates a lot faster having no IHS to go thru, i measured that as well and its an extra 2.5mm of copper to go thru, plated copper at that.

A few people who have tested it and TONS of online reviews dont reveal CLU being 10°C better then TIMs its a couple at most and this is proven fact. The difference is CLU doesnt pump doesnt run just stays there, it fills in the gap; any gap far better and thats the temp drops your seeing. If you lap an IHS top and bottom and then used a TIM then CLU youd notice pretty close temps with amargin of error. If w/mK made such a difference youd notice HUGE temps between conductonaut at 73w/mK and CLU at 36w/mK but it doesnt happen its the same.
    
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Okay think I got all that...now wondering if I should attempt bare die while waiting for the CLU to arrive as I am understanding the CLU will be slightly better but I have time to see. Anything I really need to know about using my H110i GT AIO on bare die? ( Yeah I have read this entire thread but was for the purpose of razor de-lidding not running bare, so did not pay much attention to bare.)
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