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Originally Posted by davidm71 View Post

Well this Fallout 4 benchmark is favoring Skylake:

http://www.techspot.com/review/1089-fallout-4-benchmarks/page5.html

I went 5820K and will probably build a second Z170 build as well. Feel left out.

Not sure how you can read that benchmark and feel bad about it. If you overclock the 5820k (why not?), it would smoke the 6700k according to the benchmark. And then check this benchmark - the 3.5 GHz 6-core 5930k smokes the 4-core 3.5Ghz 6600k.




Either Fallout 4 is really liking extra cores on the Intel side of things or Skylake is really getting knocked for having less L3 cache. Regardless, it's looking like in terms of games, quad core is already revealing some age. Who knows how much worse it will be for quad cores a couple years down the road once DX12 lands. Ashes of The Singularity might be a good clue, showing that the 5960x (3.0GHz and 8 cores) comes out even with the 6700k (4.0 GHz and 4 cores). Now if you overclocked them both to around 4.5 GHz (however far you can take them reasonably), we can infer that the 5960x would smash the 6700k. The scenario would likely be very similar with the 5820k versus 6700k.

My take-away from this is that X99 seems like it's going to be the ideal enthusiast platform in the long run for those who overclock. People seem to get really caught up in the benchmarks and are really quick to forget that the 5820k and 5960x have a lot of OC headroom compared to the 6700k and these benchmarks never compare the processors when overclocked to maximize their potential. Once you realize there's that extra overclock head room, slight per-clock gain that 6700k has in benchmarks is very quickly and easily surpassed by the extra cores and cache in the 5820k.
Edited by t1337dude - 12/22/15 at 6:20pm
post #352 of 693
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Originally Posted by t1337dude View Post

Not sure how you can read that benchmark and feel bad about it. If you overclock the 5820k (why not?), it would smoke the 6700k according to the benchmark. And then check this benchmark - the 3.5 GHz 6-core 5930k smokes the 4-core 3.5Ghz 6600k.

Digital Foundry are one of the few of the results that I looked at where the 6700k had a bit of an advantage over the 4790k in a few games in minimum fps mainly. Though there's no comparison to the 5820k there, I guess it's close or much the same as the 4790k.

I've also been a bit tempted to go for the 6700k but am already on the 5820k, so it would probably be a small upgrade in some things and a downgrade in other ways.
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Its inreseting to note that when the last generation of haswell is overclocked to the same frequency of a 6700k the older harder performs better tick per tock so I don't feel all that bad honestly but it would have been nice to have had dmi 3.0 support.
post #354 of 693
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Digital Foundry are one of the few of the results that I looked at where the 6700k had a bit of an advantage over the 4790k in a few games in minimum fps mainly. Though there's no comparison to the 5820k there, I guess it's close or much the same as the 4790k.

I've also been a bit tempted to go for the 6700k but am already on the 5820k, so it would probably be a small upgrade in some things and a downgrade in other ways.

Seems like it would be mostly a downgrade. I haven't seen that DF article but if they didn't include an overclocked 5820k then there's not much of a point of comparison, is there? Until they overclock their 5820k's or compare with a similar processor at similar speeds, the benchmarks will favor 6700k.

The only thing that I think is tempting about the Z170 is whatever Cannonlake will bring, but I've heard that won't launch until 2017 so that's not really even worth talking about right now.
post #355 of 693
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Seems like it would be mostly a downgrade. I haven't seen that DF article but if they didn't include an overclocked 5820k then there's not much of a point of comparison, is there? Until they overclock their 5820k's or compare with a similar processor at similar speeds, the benchmarks will favor 6700k.

The only thing that I think is tempting about the Z170 is whatever Cannonlake will bring, but I've heard that won't launch until 2017 so that's not really even worth talking about right now.
I don't have GTA V but that one would have been a decent test to see if minimums match the Digital Foundry results of the 6700k.

Here is the most important results from DF, they show clock for clock differences between the 4790k and 6700k with both at 4.4ghz, but no 5820k.

http://i.imgur.com/FK3Ypex.png
post #356 of 693
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Chaos View Post

I don't have GTA V but that one would have been a decent test to see if minimums match the Digital Foundry results of the 6700k.

Here is the most important results from DF, they show clock for clock differences between the 4790k and 6700k with both at 4.4ghz, but no 5820k.

http://i.imgur.com/FK3Ypex.png

Thanks for sharing smile.gif Min FPS to me just isn't very useful info. Sure, it's relevant, but average FPS is what I really care about. For all we know the minimum FPS only occurred for 1 second at some point during the test. Am I basing my buying decisions based on 1 second in some benchmark? Hell no tongue.gif It would be one thing if the min FPS was significantly better on the 6700k, but it's not. It's just a slightly bit better compared to the 4970k. I'd be really surprised if anyone could even find these small differences in min FPS in real life perceptible.
Edited by t1337dude - 12/24/15 at 9:13pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9EJNa0y524

Good video summing up ultimately what most of the internet says. "Sandy Bridge and newer doesn't need its CPU replaced, just upgrade the GPU".

The problem I see still is multiplayer gaming benchmarks. I understand completely that the consistency of such benchmarks could tarnish ones credibility. But if I had a nickle for each time I needed to explain to a gamer with a weak CPU why their online gaming experience isn't reflective of what the internet benchmarks state, i'd have lunch for a year. I'm a big eater too lol.

The cat that starts a youtube channel that talks about multiplayer gaming performance and the hardware necessary to be competitive might do well for his or herself.
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to be honest after hundreds of forums on this . . . I dont undertsand why people still arguing when both are mostly the same. One has and can attain higher clocks and bandwith and other has more processors less bandwith , it's the same old story of brute force vs efficiency they both reach the end at same speed mostly . . . like in cars 8 cyclinder vs 4 cyclinders who spends the most will by definition be the fastest . . .
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Good video summing up ultimately what most of the internet says. "Sandy Bridge and newer doesn't need its CPU replaced, just upgrade the GPU".

The problem I see still is multiplayer gaming benchmarks. I understand completely that the consistency of such benchmarks could tarnish ones credibility. But if I had a nickle for each time I needed to explain to a gamer with a weak CPU why their online gaming experience isn't reflective of what the internet benchmarks state, i'd have lunch for a year. I'm a big eater too lol.

The cat that starts a youtube channel that talks about multiplayer gaming performance and the hardware necessary to be competitive might do well for his or herself.


I just posted this for the earlier comments in here. Obviously I know the drawbacks, I have a 5820k.. I came from a 2500k and it drove the 980ti just fine with the screens I have. Does the 5820k do a better job? Yes! If I didn't have the means to go to the 5820k would I still be happy? Yes!
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