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should i try fluid or stick with hivi swan ?

Don't waste your money on the swans. Get the Elac B6. Got a pair on the way myself.
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Don't waste your money on the swans. Get the Elac B6. Got a pair on the way myself.

If I agreed with you any more it would overwhelm me and I would become stricken with panic and go run on the freeway until I was hit by a truck.

To the Swans guy- go on youtube and check out some videos with Andrew Jones and the Elac Debuts. I've read things people who have heard them have said. Some people say that the $600/pair Elac F5 is remeniscent of some $20 000 speakers they have heard.

Obviously you won't get $20 000 speaker sound, but you may get some trickle down characteristics of it. There has never been a better bang/buck speaker than Elac Debut. That was the whole point. "What's the BEST speaker I can build for $200/300/600 a pair to get NEW people into the audio hobby who don't want to spend a lot of money".

If you have less than $1000 to spend on 2 speakers, make them Elac Debut.

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I paid 80 bucks on ebay for logitech z623 - sure, they aren't audiophile quality but for the price of a complete system you can't really beat them IMO for a set of speakers. Obviously there are better choices if you are ok with paying more and I see a lot of those suggested above. I wouldn't pay any more than $100 for PC speakers, because at that point you might as well take the plunge and get something better.
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I paid 80 bucks on ebay for logitech z623 - sure, they aren't audiophile quality but for the price of a complete system you can't really beat them IMO for a set of speakers. Obviously there are better choices if you are ok with paying more and I see a lot of those suggested above. I wouldn't pay any more than $100 $25 for PC speakers, because at that point you might as well take the plunge and get something better.

The difference between even $300 PC speakers and a $300 system is massive, to say nothing about comparing $100 PC speakers.
PC speakers costing more than $25 are a waste of money and a rip off - unless you just want surround sound for games/movies and don't care about sound quality.

Sounds harsh, but that's what I find...................
 
 
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I'm going to jump on the Elac bandwagon as well. I'm a big fan of the Andrew Jones Pioneer lines which are one of the few audio products I've ever seen with full support from pretty much everyone in the audio community. Magazines like them, snake-oil audiophiles like them, science/measurement people like them, music people, home theater people, etc.

So if the Elac are bigger budget and higher quality Andrew Jones speakers then those are probably some spectacular speakers. Honestly I want to buy a pair now too.
    
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The difference between even $300 PC speakers and a $300 system is massive, to say nothing about comparing $100 PC speakers.
PC speakers costing more than $25 are a waste of money and a rip off - unless you just want surround sound for games/movies and don't care about sound quality.

Sounds harsh, but that's what I find...................
 
 

Until someone can show me a complete 2.1 setup that can just plug into any pc without the use of additional equipment, let alone under $100 even used that is remarkably better and obvious to the average consumer than my z-623's I will continue to stand by my statement.

Putting $25 computer speakers on anything is a complete case of you get what you pay - there is a very clear difference between run of the mill pc speakers and decent ones which mine are. I've listed to plenty enough speakers to know that sometimes saving a few hundred dollars is worth it when the system that cost tremendously more only really sounds better if you have a good sound card as is, a decent amp on top of it, great source files to begin with (face it, cd or flac is the only thing that really shows a difference here). For most use, and most users, you would be hard pressed to justify the cost in the PC realm.

If I didn't care about sound quality I would use my monitor speakers and not have a sound card. But again, I understand that the higher up you go in the cost factor, the less and less you realistically get for most uses.
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Until someone can show me a complete 2.1 setup that can just plug into any pc without the use of additional equipment, let alone under $100 even used that is remarkably better and obvious to the average consumer than my z-623's I will continue to stand by my statement.

Putting $25 computer speakers on anything is a complete case of you get what you pay - there is a very clear difference between run of the mill pc speakers and decent ones which mine are. I've listed to plenty enough speakers to know that sometimes saving a few hundred dollars is worth it when the system that cost tremendously more only really sounds better if you have a good sound card as is, a decent amp on top of it, great source files to begin with (face it, cd or flac is the only thing that really shows a difference here). For most use, and most users, you would be hard pressed to justify the cost in the PC realm.

If I didn't care about sound quality I would use my monitor speakers and not have a sound card. But again, I understand that the higher up you go in the cost factor, the less and less you realistically get for most uses.


A small t-amp, budget speakers, and maybe a cheaper sub can run in the lower $100s. Really the sub would be the biggest cost factor, unless you get a cheap old used Sony sub or something. A Dayton dub would blow away the best Logitech sub.
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I paid 80 bucks on ebay for logitech z623 - sure, they aren't audiophile quality but for the price of a complete system you can't really beat them IMO for a set of speakers. Obviously there are better choices if you are ok with paying more and I see a lot of those suggested above. I wouldn't pay any more than $100 for PC speakers, because at that point you might as well take the plunge and get something better.

You're very wrong about that. You can get some SERIOUS PC speakers. KEF makes the X300A which is a very nice powered speaker which has an internal 96Khz DAC via USB. $800 per pair. $900 if you want wireless (yuck). They are a highly impressive speaker with an aluminum tweeter and woofer in KEF's UNI-Q setup where the tweeter is inside, or rather, in the middle of, the woofer. This creates very focused sound. I can assure you, these sound like a HIFI stereo if you use the proper source on your computer, like J-River with some nice 24/96 well mastered tracks. Fantastic sound. And yes, it's a computer speaker.

People just don't know what's out there or what's possible because the best they have ever heard was a Klipsch Promedia 2.1 hooked up to a cheesy soundcard or integrated audio.

You can go as far as you want with PC audio these days. You can build a $1000 000 audio setup around a PC with a $50 000 DAC, $600 000 speakers, and $350 000 worth of amplification.

And before somebody posts and says "Duhr nothing's that expensive", see below for the $600 000 speakers and the $350 000 preamp>dual monoblock amps.

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The difference between even $300 PC speakers and a $300 system is massive, to say nothing about comparing $100 PC speakers.
PC speakers costing more than $25 are a waste of money and a rip off - unless you just want surround sound for games/movies and don't care about sound quality.

Sounds harsh, but that's what I find...................
 
 

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If I didn't care about sound quality I would use my monitor speakers and not have a sound card. But again, I understand that the higher up you go in the cost factor, the less and less you realistically get for most uses.
Hey! We're in the same boat here. A DAC, Amp, and bookshelf speakers aren't for everyone. In fact the computer I'm typing this at has No sound whatsoever. People get what they need, and hopefully, shop around and try to get the best bang for their buck which it sound like the way you did it.
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Until someone can show me a complete 2.1 setup that can just plug into any pc without the use of additional equipment, let alone under $100 even used that is remarkably better and obvious to the average consumer than my z-623's I will continue to stand by my statement.

I think you might be able to stand by your statement in this case because I don't think anyone can really do that. No offense meant here at all, but personally I think all the under $100 combo kits are decent at best. The more speakers you add, the worse it gets. Those budget 5.1 sets can be like cellphone speakers. Yikes. But if the goal is easy plug and play, with a little bass, two channels, small footprint, and cheap, then a few of these kits are great. I think the Klipsch Pro Media 2.1 comes to mind, but I haven't looked at this speaker type in a while.

Personally I would still say cut the sub, grab a $20 lepai, and a nice set of used or sale set of bookshelf speakers. I know I sound like a broken record, but the Pioneer BS-22-LR go on sale for about $80/pair. I'll sacrifice those little subs for the bigger speaker speakers 10 times out of 10, but its not always space, budget, or hook-up friendly (more wires, adapters, etc).
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You're very wrong about that. You can get some SERIOUS PC speakers. KEF makes the X300A which is a very nice powered speaker which has an internal 96Khz DAC via USB. $800 per pair. $900 if you want wireless (yuck). They are a highly impressive speaker with an aluminum tweeter and woofer in KEF's UNI-Q setup where the tweeter is inside, or rather, in the middle of, the woofer. This creates very focused sound. I can assure you, these sound like a HIFI stereo if you use the proper source on your computer, like J-River with some nice 24/96 well mastered tracks. Fantastic sound. And yes, it's a computer speaker.

People just don't know what's out there or what's possible because the best they have ever heard was a Klipsch Promedia 2.1 hooked up to a cheesy soundcard or integrated audio.

You can go as far as you want with PC audio these days. You can build a $1000 000 audio setup around a PC with a $50 000 DAC, $600 000 speakers, and $350 000 worth of amplification.

And before somebody posts and says "Duhr nothing's that expensive", see below for the $600 000 speakers and the $350 000 preamp>dual monoblock amps.

I think we need to draw a line between PC Speakers and a system with a PC as the source. While most would probably consider those X300A to be at least possibly computer speakers, the rest of that post is really not computer speakers. Most "computer speakers" are small plastic speakers that fit on a desk and plug right into a PC.

If you couldn't fit in in your computer room, let alone on a desk, its probably not a computer speaker lol. So now I'm sure you know this, but you just wanted to post some insane systems didn't you?
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