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I think you might be able to stand by your statement in this case because I don't think anyone can really do that. No offense meant here at all, but personally I think all the under $100 combo kits are decent at best. The more speakers you add, the worse it gets. Those budget 5.1 sets can be like cellphone speakers. Yikes. But if the goal is easy plug and play, with a little bass, two channels, small footprint, and cheap, then a few of these kits are great. I think the Klipsch Pro Media 2.1 comes to mind, but I haven't looked at this speaker type in a while.

Personally I would still say cut the sub, grab a $20 lepai, and a nice set of used or sale set of bookshelf speakers. I know I sound like a broken record, but the Pioneer BS-22-LR go on sale for about $80/pair. I'll sacrifice those little subs for the bigger speaker speakers 10 times out of 10, but its not always space, budget, or hook-up friendly (more wires, adapters, etc).
I think we need to draw a line between PC Speakers and a system with a PC as the source. While most would probably consider those X300A to be at least possibly computer speakers, the rest of that post is really not computer speakers. Most "computer speakers" are small plastic speakers that fit on a desk and plug right into a PC.

If you couldn't fit in in your computer room, let alone on a desk, its probably not a computer speaker lol. So now I'm sure you know this, but you just wanted to post some insane systems didn't you?

Forget the Pioneers, The Fluance SX6 is totally the better speaker. Hands down.

http://www.amazon.com/Fluance-SX6-Definition-Bookshelf-Loudspeakers/dp/B00067OS0A/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1445381029&sr=8-6&keywords=fluance

In the $130 price range, this takes the crown.


Just like the Elac B6's would probably take the crown in the $300 price range. (And most likely anything under $500)



Once you look past the $500 mark, you are looking at very little gains for a lot of extra cash spent. Especially the $1000+ market. Not to mention how ugly the speakers can get in those price ranges, as they are forced to use weird shapes for better sound quality. Honestly they give 70's speakers a run for the money in terms of how ugly the speaker can be. (unless you actually like that old 70's furniture look)

Plus most people are not looking to spend $1000 on a PC audio setup.


Pretty much all desktop speaker systems are meh, simply because a smaller speaker will always have limitations. And all those PC speakers have crossovers feeding midbass into the subwoofer, as the small drivers on the satellite speakers can't handle it. But if the goal if for smaller speakers with a small footprint, to put one together yourself takes money. More money than most of those cheaper PC speakers. But I would never spend more than $150 on some PC only speakers, after that point you can put one together yourself that is better.
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Forget the Pioneers, The Fluance SX6 is totally the better speaker. Hands down.

http://www.amazon.com/Fluance-SX6-Definition-Bookshelf-Loudspeakers/dp/B00067OS0A/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1445381029&sr=8-6&keywords=fluance

In the $130 price range, this takes the crown.


Just like the Elac B6's would probably take the crown in the $300 price range. (And most likely anything under $500)



Once you look past the $500 mark, you are looking at very little gains for a lot of extra cash spent. Especially the $1000+ market. Not to mention how ugly the speakers can get in those price ranges, as they are forced to use weird shapes for better sound quality. Honestly they give 70's speakers a run for the money in terms of how ugly the speaker can be. (unless you actually like that old 70's furniture look)

Plus most people are not looking to spend $1000 on a PC audio setup.


Pretty much all desktop speaker systems are meh, simply because a smaller speaker will always have limitations. And all those PC speakers have crossovers feeding midbass into the woofer, as the small drivers on the satellite speakers can't handle it. But if the goal if for smaller speakers with a small footprint, to put one together yourself takes money. More money than most of those cheaper PC speakers. But I would never spend more than $150 on some PC only speakers, after that point you can put one together yourself that is better.

You don't hit diminishing gains until about $5000 my friend. A KEF LS50 sounds easily twice as good as a Q300 at half its price, and the Totem element bookshelves at twice the price of the LS50's sound almost twice as good again.
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Just to throw another opinion in the hat here, I would say diminishing returns set on heavily after like $50.

Even a $1000 speaker does not sound twice a good to me as a $50 speaker. Audio is a fools game to sell boutique equipment and brand names with inaudible differences in specs or clearly intentional flaws to create "boutique sound signature" no different than making purposefully ugly clothes to make a fashion trend.
    
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Just to throw another opinion in the hat here, I would say diminishing returns set on heavily after like $50.

Even a $1000 speaker does not sound twice a good to me as a $50 speaker. Audio is a fools game to sell boutique equipment and brand names with inaudible differences in specs or clearly intentional flaws to create "boutique sound signature" no different than making purposefully ugly clothes to make a fashion trend.

Somehow this post make's me believe you never listened to a proper set-up with 1000$ speakers.

I think my Adams would like to have a word with your 50$ speakers.

Yes you are right that after a curtain price point you have to pay alot more for tiny improvements but it isnt as bad as you portrait it to be. (it is like that with interconnect cable's, power conditioners and all that stuff though, but not with speakers IMO)
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Just to throw another opinion in the hat here, I would say diminishing returns set on heavily after like $50.

Even a $1000 speaker does not sound twice a good to me as a $50 speaker. Audio is a fools game to sell boutique equipment and brand names with inaudible differences in specs or clearly intentional flaws to create "boutique sound signature" no different than making purposefully ugly clothes to make a fashion trend.

I would like to see a $50 speaker even compare to a $130 speaker.


Honestly



Though really it is what the user defines as twice as good. IMO past $300, you are only getting so much more for your money. Bookshelf speakers will always have limitations in terms of bass, and tower speakers are not something I would use in a PC configuration.


But the difference from a Dayton B652 and a Fluance SX6 is really noticeable when it comes to music. The sound signature is just different, and the tone of some notes are just off on the dayton's at times. they make great cheap speakers for movies and tv, not so much as really great music speakers. They do the job though, sounding better than most speakers in that price range from the past.


A $130 speaker will sound damn good though with a sub and proper alignment. With a proper speaker placement, $130 speakers can sound nearly life like. Twice as good really is nothing more than personal opinion at that point.


I've listened to $1000 speakers before. And they sound damn good even without a sub. But even my Klipsch B-20's would give them a run for the money.

I don't expect my upcoming Elac B6's to be even near what I would consider twice as good.


Speakers can only get so clean, after that you are paying a lot of $$ to get minor adjustments.


Amps, DACs, Cables, and other accessories make a difference in terms of cleaning up the sound. And again, all of those has diminishing returns after a point.
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It's called smooth and clean when you step up.

I have not been on this thread in while. Is this for a computer because I run modified Optimus Pro 77's, a Mirage Omni-S8 sub and an Onkyo 603 receiver on my main computer.
    
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It's called smooth and clean when you step up.

I have not been on this thread in while. Is this for a computer because I run modified Optimus Pro 77's, a Mirage Omni-S8 sub and an Onkyo 603 receiver on my main computer.

I suppose there are many people here on OCM with multi thousand dollar sound systems connected to their computers. This thread sounds like a bunch of people arguing whether McDonald's or Burger King has the best hamburgers, while some of us are eating steak a Gordon's. As has been said, "It all depends on your tastes and budget."
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Yes.



That is what I run on my computer.
    
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Just to throw another opinion in the hat here, I would say diminishing returns set on heavily after like $50.

Even a $1000 speaker does not sound twice a good to me as a $50 speaker. Audio is a fools game to sell boutique equipment and brand names with inaudible differences in specs or clearly intentional flaws to create "boutique sound signature" no different than making purposefully ugly clothes to make a fashion trend.

ROFLMAO. You are either deaf or the hearing related portion of your brain is damaged. While the high end of audio has become perverted and grossly overpriced, the meat and potatos stuff ($5000 per component or below) is very much worth the money and there are clear differences. By the way they are not called defects they are signature sounds. Not everybody likes the same sound so different brands have different signature sounds to tailor fit for everyone. Warm/smooth? Marantz. Bright, heavy attack, treble head? Onkyo. Don't know what your preference is? Yamaha. Dark, moody? NAD. ETC ETC ETC.

In my home right now there is a set of $20 speakers, a set of $200 speakers, and a set of $800 speakers and I assure you there is a massive jump in performance as you go up the chain.

Also, I have headphones worth $40, $80, $250 and $500 and there, too, there is a massive leap each level you go up.


It's possible that your source material or the source itself are so garbage that you can't hear the difference between a $50 speaker and a thousand dollar speaker. In that case, ditch your MP3's and download everything in 24/96 or better and try again.

The alternative?...
You're deaf bro.
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