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No illusion busting from me. I don't point out the obvious anymore. The posted screenshots show the basics are not understood and yet the topic has now turned to setting RTLs. Kind of ironic really.

I mean this with all due respect as many of you have help my obtain the level of knowledge I currently have when it comes to memory clocking and for that I am thankful. With that said many including myself use the forums as a learning tool. Personally I do not understand bashing people for not being at the same level as you. If someone is doing something wrong by all means point it out and say hey "I know you set your timings to this but the MB is actually overriding those timings to this bc otherwise it would cause instability". There is no need to be pretentious with anything we are a community.
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I hope when I'm an overclock.net veteran years down the road I never get into the condescending "I'm right, you are wrong, how dare you question my statements here in the forum."

I believe that we should respect everyone here no matter their level of skill. Healthy debate is fine, but the 'I'm a pro at this and you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.' kind of attitudes just cause contention and make the person or people in question seem like elitist jerks.

On the other hand new people and those without the level of experience of others here would do well to respect the veterans of this forum and acknowledge the contribution they have and do make here, it's a two headed coin.

I try to avoid the drama when I can but watching some go on and on in posts in ways like I mention can be kind of disheartening. frown.gif
    
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I mean this with all due respect as many of you have help my obtain the level of knowledge I currently have when it comes to memory clocking and for that I am thankful. With that said many including myself use the forums as a learning tool. Personally I do not understand bashing people for not being at the same level as you. If someone is doing something wrong by all means point it out and say hey "I know you set your timings to this but the MB is actually overriding those timings to this bc otherwise it would cause instability". There is no need to be pretentious with anything we are a community.

Hello

No disrespect taken. I think all of us take the approach you have just laid out. However, when I state the same thing over an over again I start to sound like my parrots with constant repeating. After literally pages of discussions concerning these things I reach a point of just moving on.
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For RTLs to reduce them do you set manual to what's set then slowly reduce by 1 or is there a process to it that will be more likely to boot? Also which voltage effects RTLs? I'm curious as I've never messed with them outside to ensure memory is trained properly.

word of advice.. if you start messing with IOLs, make sure you have a fresh OS image handy. smile.gif
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Yes i agree.
For a understanding of my oc socket settings.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1540939/gigabyte-x99-soc-champion-discussion-ownerss-club/1150_50#post_25440676

3600Mhz and i need to adjust VL4 to 1.44v
No i run 3200Mhz Cl14 with tight secondaries @ 1.38v. CL 13 needs close to 1.5v and DIMM temps in the 50c range at that voltage. It seems my kit is much better at higher frequency apposed to lower and tighter timings. 3600Mhz i have no problems with just haven't put in the time to tweak and lower timings enough for better performance than my 3200Mhz oc.

Edit manually set iol's

Thx. I would have been surprised (or maybe amazed is a better term) if the GB board set them to 1 considering the tWCL set. Tho it is a 4-dimm board.
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Hello

No disrespect taken. I think all of us take the approach you have just laid out. However, when I state the same thing over an over again I start to sound like my parrots with constant repeating. After literally pages of discussions concerning these things I reach a point of just moving on.
Oh trust me I understand where you are coming from. I can't speak for others but I can say that I by no means have a full or even half understanding of memory timings. The issue I have found is that the web is so packed full of primary timing adjustments and speed settings it's become very difficult to find the relationship of secondary and tertiary timings as well as RTLs. Heck I do not think I've read a single post that really explains what it even is haha. With that said if I ask a dumb question I apologize but am only trying to learn why it's dumb haha.
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For RTLs to reduce them do you set manual to what's set then slowly reduce by 1 or is there a process to it that will be more likely to boot? Also which voltage effects RTLs? I'm curious as I've never messed with them outside to ensure memory is trained properly.

See this.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1569364/official-skylake-haswell-e-broadwell-e-24-7-ddr4-memory-stability-thread/2580#post_25469266
    
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word of advice.. if you start messing with IOLs, make sure you have a fresh OS image handy. smile.gif
Ha thanks I would have been real sad later. Speaking of dumb questions I know that tRAS = tCL + tRCD + tRP and with my timings (14, 15, 15, 30) tRAS is clearly being overridden by the motherboard. My question is when I set it properly to say 44 there is a drop in throughput measured by Aida. How is this possible given all timings are set to manual including RTLs and IOLs. Leaving RTLs and IOLs to auto sets the same timings as static which I though was the cause at first.

Thanks I will check it out when I get home I plan on playing around later today so this will be added to the list of things to learn!
Edited by superkyle1721 - 8/26/16 at 7:03am
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Considering the person who approached this subject is already using invalid timings, i think that's a perfect reason not to approach the subject.

It's not about who is right and who is wrong, or more experienced and is being condescending. It's about stopping people from straying from the path. Which can be tricky when the board is clever enough to correct these mistakes. If anyone is being condescending, it's Intel.
Edited by Silent Scone - 8/26/16 at 7:00am
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Considering the person who approached this subject is already using invalid timings, i think that's a perfect reason not to approach the subject.

It's not about who is right and who is wrong, or more experienced and isnbeing condescending. It's about stopping people from straying from the path which can be tricky when the board is clever enough to correct these mistakes. If anyone is being condescending, it's Intel.

Touché! I understand completely if you don't mind me asking I'm guessing you are referring me to when stating I am using improper timings. Do you mind telling me what is improper?
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I've not looked at all entries yet, but the subject was covered only days ago on the last page, and the same mistake was then made by another user.


Surely you can see the frustration in this? You've got people just itching to play with settings like round trip latency when they're not even using valid secondary timings, which are worth adjusting correctly.
Edited by Silent Scone - 8/26/16 at 7:09am
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