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Well, Would like you, Scone, to add it to the list, will see if you finally do!!!


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PS: Input was a bit high, I turned it back to 1.952v and all ok!!!


I will add all results over the weekend. It's good to keep in mind that although i've stated the minimum coverage for higher density can be as low as 200% due to the slow coverage time, it's probably a good idea to cover more, or maybe consider GSAT. Or else you may end up coming unstuck, like when you were getting memory errors before.
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Thanks for the advice and clarification. I wouldn't say performance is my only metric as I'm mainly looking for performance at 24/7 stable settings not just to pass benchmarks.
Here are my current settings. I followed several guide as well as read up on each setting but I'm sure I missed some things as its a lot to process.

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Yes, we can all have bad days. That doesn't really explain why you went out of your way to prove something I said was wrong, when you're own daily settings say otherwise. Very confusing!

When you claim your opinion is fact i have problems. BWE can clearly handle 3400Mhz on 100 strap so why not run it. Higher frequency's are usually better even if you cant get the sub timings as tight. The user will have to test this to find the best ratio / performance.



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word of advice.. if you start messing with IOLs, make sure you have a fresh OS image handy. smile.gif
Thx. I would have been surprised (or maybe amazed is a better term) if the GB board set them to 1 considering the tWCL set. Tho it is a 4-dimm board.

Setting IOL's to 1 is for getting my RTL's as tight as possible. This only works that way with the older HWE bios for this board. Newer bios for this board have improved some and IOL's no longer need to be adjusted that low.
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When you claim your opinion is fact i have problems..


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When you claim your opinion is fact i have problems. BWE can clearly handle 3400Mhz on 100 strap so why not run it. Higher frequency's are usually better even if you cant get the sub timings as tight. The user will have to test this to find the best ratio / performance.

I could stoop and once again point out what happened yesterday. Or in fact that you don't have a Broadwell-E CPU. Or in fact that you can't see how certain settings scale above a certain point on Broadwell. Or that you in fact yourself can go above 3200, albeit with highly relaxed subtimings, but then by self admittance tell us you run 3200 on your own system.

Instead i'm deciding to ignore you from this point on.
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quote name="superkyle1721" url="/t/1569364/official-skylake-haswell-e-broadwell-e-24-7-ddr4-memory-stability-thread/2500#post_25435924"]Superkyle1721---6700K @4.841/4.841 (BCLK 103 Multi 47/47)---3845Mhz -C14-15-15-30-2T----1.5V---SA 1.225V---1.2VCCIO---Gsat 1-hour





Misc. 3rd timings were too tight and caused a few errors. Set 3rds to auto and was able to pass without issues. Will revisit 3rds later.[/quote]
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sorry - a quoted post had dead pic links... which post number or a link maybe?
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Thats odd but I was on my phone at the time. This should work.

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I will add all results over the weekend. It's good to keep in mind that although i've stated the minimum coverage for higher density can be as low as 200% due to the slow coverage time, it's probably a good idea to cover more, or maybe consider GSAT. Or else you may end up coming unstuck, like when you were getting memory errors before.


I could have had it more time to reach 500 or 600% coverage. Is this enough for HCI or maybe we need to go to 1000%???

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I personally think 400-500 is enough, but I might be wrong...
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I could have had it more time to reach 500 or 600% coverage. Is this enough for HCI or maybe we need to go to 1000%???

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I personally think 400-500 is enough, but I might be wrong...


Yes 400 to 500% should be enough, but i would recommend using GSAT also as even 1 hour can be revealing to settings which appear HCI stable. It's up to you
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For RTLs to reduce them do you set manual to what's set then slowly reduce by 1 or is there a process to it that will be more likely to boot?

I've never been able to get RTLs below 4 to boot without sacrificing something else that makes the reduction pointless, but going from 8 to 4 or 6 is often possible at lower memory speeds, especially if not pushing the uncore too far.
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Also which voltage effects RTLs? I'm curious as I've never messed with them outside to ensure memory is trained properly.

VCCSA, VCCIO, and on Gigabyte boards with the OC socket enabled, pretty much all of the VLs. VDIMM can also help, in some cases.
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For the purpose of this thread, these can be left to the board. As we've recently witnessed, there are types who feel this is not edgy enougb for them and are looking to push limits for the sake of screenshots, or benchmarking, Adjusting RTL / IOL is one of those instances. If looking to experiment, you won't find much range here if looking for stability in tests such as GSAT.

At the frequency I run my memory and uncore at, my board defaults to IOLs of 8 on all channels. I can run them at 4 (with a corresponding reduction of RTLs from 49 to 45) and pass any stress test I care to run, with a small bump to VCCSA. This is a pretty solid reduction in latency, and probably one of the largest changes in memory performance from adjusting a single timing value.

At higher frequencies or with different BCLK straps, significant IOL/RTL adjustments get much harder to stabilize.
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The easiest way to tweak RTL etc. is to lower DRAM Write Latency

tWCL should be adjust first, then try reducing IOLs manually. Often it's not possible, but with some configurations it certainly is.
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[*] tRRD, tWTR and tRTP has a minimum of 4, don't go lower.

This is the case for tRRD, but I don't believe tWTR or tRTP have a lower limit of 4.

I still have to re-test the effect of tWTR (which I have set to 2) below 4, but tRTP most definitely increased performance and vDIMM requirements on my setup when I changed it from 4 to 3.
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Setting IOL's to 1 is for getting my RTL's as tight as possible. This only works that way with the older HWE bios for this board. Newer bios for this board have improved some and IOL's no longer need to be adjusted that low.

I was never able to run IOLs at 1 on my SOC Champion with any firmware, and if anything the newer F22h and beyond (using F22n at the moment) have made running IOLs below default easier for my 5820Ks.
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I would stay where you are after the fiasco you've had. However if not I would try 13-14-14 or 13-13-14. Setting tRP one clock higher instead may help
I haven't gotten the 3rd timing tested yet. I had to stop for the night after making sure a higher VCCSA didn't allow me to do even 14 on the second timing. I'll get there tonight hopefully.
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I could have had it more time to reach 500 or 600% coverage. Is this enough for HCI or maybe we need to go to 1000%???

redface.gif

I personally think 400-500 is enough, but I might be wrong...


Yes 400 to 500% should be enough, but i would recommend using GSAT also as even 1 hour can be revealing to settings which appear HCI stable. It's up to you
I concur with this statement. Furthermore, as GSAT is a set time, you will have stress testing done much quicker.

With directions from KedarWolf, which I can find for you (@vmanuelgm) if you're interested, you can get Puppy Linux running on a USB stick and GSAT going in less than half an hour without much effort. It is really a slick process.

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Hello

Anyone running memory higher than 3200MHz on either Haswell-E or Broadwell-E need to do so with their eyes open. At these speeds OC Socket settings are being manipulated behind the scenes to levels that I personally am not comfortable with for 24/7. I understand how this may not be evident when the available user settings do not give a direct indication of what and to how high of a level voltages are being applied.
This would be the vagueness I mentioned earlier requiring further posting for clarification. frown.gif I'm sure there's excellent guidance intended, but not enough information is supplied for someone who actually wants to learn.
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Hello

Anyone running memory higher than 3200MHz on either Haswell-E or Broadwell-E need to do so with their eyes open. At these speeds OC Socket settings are being manipulated behind the scenes to levels that I personally am not comfortable with for 24/7. I understand how this may not be evident when the available user settings do not give a direct indication of what and to how high of a level voltages are being applied.
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