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thanks you for answer Jpmboy, but I'm not sure to understand, do you mean it is not only the sticks but also the cpu and motherboard at risk ?

I'm willing to take risk but I don't want to damage motherboard and cpu ;p

has anyone ever tried or heard of damage with 24/7 around 1.6 ?
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thanks you for answer Jpmboy, but I'm not sure to understand, do you mean it is not only the sticks but also the cpu and motherboard at risk ?

I'm willing to take risk but I don't want to damage motherboard and cpu ;p

has anyone ever tried or heard of damage with 24/7 around 1.6 ?
It's not what I mean... Intel's AOR is what it is.
what frequency and timings are you looking to run 24.7 that require 1.6V?
Maybe @aerotracks has advice he can provide in this voltage range.
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Thanks Raja. Do you think HCI memtest or GSAT would/could uncover the dram cell dissipation thing? dram temps only hit 30 or so, maybe at higher temperatures this would fail. redface.gif

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Hey Jp.

Some days ago I tried tightening secondary timings a bit on my old kit and I raised tREFI as well.
The configuration passed 500% HCI successfully. The next day I tried GSAT and at the 15 min mark I got a single tripped hex in a testing pattern from b5 to bd in a b5b5b5b5... sequence.
The actual difference bitwise is a single bit in this error going from 0101 which is 5 to 1101 which is d. I don't know how bits are being stored in memory depending on charge but I decided to try lowering tREFI a bit.

In case it was data corruption due to tREFI, lower charge should mean the bit value should be 1 instead of the more sensible 0 though. This could just be a coincidence by letting the memory "breathe" a little more by only loosening tREFI but then GSAT passed 1hr of testing without problems.

I thought I should share this info nevertheless.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1268061/ocn-ram-addict-club-gallery/7270#post_24804914
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i run 3600 c13 18 18 28 1 with 1.57 (4.8/4.8 1.2io 1.25sa) (it's 4x4 gskill 3200 c16 samsung e-die)
i am willing to loosen up timings but i want to keep 3600 1T

I tried 15-18-18 28 with 1.5 but it's not working, I need to try again even higher timings something like 3600 17-18-18-38-1T or even 18-18-18-38-1T at 1.5 or lower could probably work but i was satisfied with 3600 c13 lol... now if that's really too much of a risk i guess it's time to go down
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Hey Jp.

Some days ago I tried tightening secondary timings a bit on my old kit and I raised tREFI as well.
The configuration passed 500% HCI successfully. The next day I tried GSAT and at the 15 min mark I got a single tripped hex in a testing pattern from b5 to bd in a b5b5b5b5... sequence.
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In case it was data corruption due to tREFI, lower charge should mean the bit value should be 1 instead of the more sensible 0 though. This could just be a coincidence by letting the memory "breathe" a little more by only loosening tREFI but then GSAT passed 1hr of testing without problems.

I thought I should share this info nevertheless.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1268061/ocn-ram-addict-club-gallery/7270#post_24804914
thanks bud... I'm still fleshing this out a bit. I'll run GSAT today...
EDIT: running gsat ATM 75% done and okay so far. When you tightened things up did you manually set a dram clock period? I believe this might hold things a bit more constsnt between boots. Just a guess, but seems empirically true on x99 and z170, today. redface.gif
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i run 3600 c13 18 18 28 1 with 1.57 (4.8/4.8 1.2io 1.25sa) (it's 4x4 gskill 3200 c16 samsung e-die)
i am willing to loosen up timings but i want to keep 3600 1T
I tried 15-18-18 28 with 1.5 but it's not working, I need to try again even higher timings something like 3600 17-18-18-38-1T or even 18-18-18-38-1T at 1.5 or lower could probably work but i was satisfied with 3600 c13 lol... now if that's really too much of a risk i guess it's time to go down
this is on skylake I assume? PLEASE fillout rigbuilder and add it to you sig block.

post an AID64 memtest snip with those setting please. thumb.gif
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i run 3600 c13 18 18 28 1 with 1.57 (4.8/4.8 1.2io 1.25sa) (it's 4x4 gskill 3200 c16 samsung e-die)
i am willing to loosen up timings but i want to keep 3600 1T

I tried 15-18-18 28 with 1.5 but it's not working, I need to try again even higher timings something like 3600 17-18-18-38-1T or even 18-18-18-38-1T at 1.5 or lower could probably work but i was satisfied with 3600 c13 lol... now if that's really too much of a risk i guess it's time to go down

You could always aim for a low 3466. As above fill out rig builder so others know what platform you are speaking about
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Got a few parts in the mail, 3600 C16 2x8GB - I believe this is the E-Die?

Titan X is on truck for delivery today, might have to pick it up at post office tomorrow redface.gif

Soon™

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also... after a (very) little reading prompted by @Blameless, doubling tREFI seems to have a benefit eh-smiley.gif
Effect on L2 cache latency is reproducible/real...

Nice little bump there in bandwidth. I had tried lowering tRTP and tFAW but didn't really observe an improvement. I'll definitely try tweaking tREFI too.

edit: Not sure? I doubled fREFI but also made tRAS and tRCT changes between the new and old runs.


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Got a few parts in the mail, 3600 C16 2x8GB - I believe this is the E-Die?

Titan X is on truck for delivery today, might have to pick it up at post office tomorrow redface.gif

Soon™
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Nice. Let us know how you get on with the Impact smile.gif
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Nice little bump there in bandwidth. I had tried lowering tRTP and tFAW but didn't really observe an improvement. I'll definitely try tweaking tREFI too.

edit: Not sure? I doubled fREFI but also made tRAS and tRCT changes between the new and old runs.


yeah, hard to draw a conclusion then... one variable at a time as my advisor would say (a long time ago in a galaxy far-far away... ) smile.gif
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i5 6600K i7 7700K i3 7350 ASUS Max iX APEX, Asrock MOCF, M8Impact 
GraphicsGraphicsGraphicsRAM
ASUS GTX 1080 Turbo ASUS GTX 960 Mini EVGA GTX 550Ti G.Skill 3600c15 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
G.Skill 4266c19 Samsung SM951 WD VR 300 Intel 750 NVMe U.2 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Mushkin 512 Intel 600 NVMe Raid0 Plextor DVD ROM Custom Water (Koolance 380i / XSPC 360v2) 
CoolingOSOSOS
Corsair H80iV2 (M8I) Windows 10 Pro Window 7 Linux Mint 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Seiki 4K AOC 1080P Ducky Cherry Black Silverstone 500W SFX form factor/ Seasonic 760W 
CaseMouseAudio
Bench Logitech G700s Ultimate Ears TF10s 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4960X @ 4.7 Asus Rampage IV Black Edition R9 295x2 w/ Koolance Block G Skill 2400 c9 (@ 2133c8) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Plextor 512 SSD VelociRaptor 600GB WD Black 2T 4 Terabyte NAS 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Asus BluRay R/W Lite On  AquaComputer 720XT Koolance 380i 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Liang DCC Aux Pump Win10x64 Samsung U28D590 4K/60 (primary) SteelSeries G6 (Cherry Red) 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair AX1200 Sliverstone TJ09 G700 on-board 
Audio
Ultimate Ears TF10s 
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CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
i7 5960X i7 6950X Asus Rampage V Extreme (STD and model-10) 2 GTX TitanX w/ EK Blocks & Backplates 
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Nvidia Tesla C-class 2 GTX Titan X Pascal (water cooled) GSkill 3200c14 TZs 8x8GB @ 3400c13 Intel 750 NVMe 400GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Plextor 256GB M6e M.2 2x Plextor SSD 256 Raid 0 (Win 7) Samsung NVMe 950 Pro M.2 Plextor 810 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Aquacomputer GiGant 1680 (4x420) external Rad XSPC RX360 Koolance 380i Laing DDC-1T (2) 
CoolingOSOSOS
Koolance EXC-800 Chiller Windows 10 x64  Windows 7 Pro Linux Mint 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
ASUS Swift 1440P 144Hz Seiki 50" 4K monitor (720P-2160i) 240-30Hz Das Keyboard Model S Pro Corsair AX1500i 
CaseMouseAudioOther
MicroCool Banchetto 101 Steelseries Rival Ultimate Ears TF10 Koolance Pump/Fan Controller 
CPUCPUCPUMotherboard
i5 6600K i7 7700K i3 7350 ASUS Max iX APEX, Asrock MOCF, M8Impact 
GraphicsGraphicsGraphicsRAM
ASUS GTX 1080 Turbo ASUS GTX 960 Mini EVGA GTX 550Ti G.Skill 3600c15 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
G.Skill 4266c19 Samsung SM951 WD VR 300 Intel 750 NVMe U.2 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Mushkin 512 Intel 600 NVMe Raid0 Plextor DVD ROM Custom Water (Koolance 380i / XSPC 360v2) 
CoolingOSOSOS
Corsair H80iV2 (M8I) Windows 10 Pro Window 7 Linux Mint 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Seiki 4K AOC 1080P Ducky Cherry Black Silverstone 500W SFX form factor/ Seasonic 760W 
CaseMouseAudio
Bench Logitech G700s Ultimate Ears TF10s 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4960X @ 4.7 Asus Rampage IV Black Edition R9 295x2 w/ Koolance Block G Skill 2400 c9 (@ 2133c8) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Plextor 512 SSD VelociRaptor 600GB WD Black 2T 4 Terabyte NAS 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Asus BluRay R/W Lite On  AquaComputer 720XT Koolance 380i 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Liang DCC Aux Pump Win10x64 Samsung U28D590 4K/60 (primary) SteelSeries G6 (Cherry Red) 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair AX1200 Sliverstone TJ09 G700 on-board 
Audio
Ultimate Ears TF10s 
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