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I noticed huge droop and drop, but turning LLC on High on the gaming 7 board solved issue completely. TBH I really don't think the C- power saving settings effect stability I have left all on with no stability issues, and its awesome knowing your volts are around .800v-1.13v when just browsing the web.
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The msi boards have literally no LLC controls.

They have the one "Vdroop" setting, But from testing with it on/off (No voltmeter though) It does absolutely NOTHING.

I ended up swapping out my msi m7 board because of multiple issues, Vdroop included.

It seem MSI still have not progress from their poor voltage setup. Their 'military class' drmos still have remnants of analog pwm. rolleyes.gif

The reason why i skipped MSI boards and another reason is i got 2 MSI failed on me due to dead chipset. MSI dont seem to properly secure their chipset heatsink and cause degradation over time.
    
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The msi boards have literally no LLC controls.

They have the one "Vdroop" setting, But from testing with it on/off (No voltmeter though) It does absolutely NOTHING.

I ended up swapping out my msi m7 board because of multiple issues, Vdroop included.
ok i see, soo is almosta like have nothing, thats bad because for what i hear is a good option for OC :/
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It seem MSI still have not progress from their poor voltage setup. Their 'military class' drmos still have remnants of analog pwm. rolleyes.gif

The reason why i skipped MSI boards and another reason is i got 2 MSI failed on me due to dead chipset. MSI dont seem to properly secure their chipset heatsink and cause degradation over time.

MSI's Z170 is actually quite fine.

MSI Z170 Gaming M9 ACK LLC (MSI's Hybrid (intersil) PWM implementation):


MSI Z170 XPower LLC (MSI's Digital PWM (IR=international rectifier) implementation):

Sorry for the different tests and inconsistency, I decided to add LLC down the line and I haven't settled on a permanent testing method other than running stresses that I was using at the time of measuring. Either way they are still very useful. Both of these are at 4.5GHz and measured with a DMM at the output of the VRM. I have also started to provide voltage read points for boards that don't have them.

These are my results from using both boards. The XPower has what it needs for extreme LLC. LLC implementations are variable, they are affected by current draw and so they get weaker or stronger as the voltage changes. For Extreme OCing you want LLC that increases VCore on air as that increase will decrease as you increase in frequency and voltage. For air you want a small drop or no drop, and the M9 does just that, M7 and M5 should be identical.

They are well in line with what other motherboards offer. I have only seen perfect LLC on one or two motherboards. However, what MSI has implimented is totally acceptable and it does work.

A few notes on LLC on Z170:
Intel has confused a lot of manufacturers by providing Internal VR Settings with AC/DC LLC and made it available to users. Out of all brands I tested, 2 did not have LLC at all past those internal LLC options, 1 removed those extra options and didn't add LLC and the other added LLC.
You really need to use a DMM.
Edited by Sin0822 - 10/17/15 at 11:18pm
    
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ok i see, soo is almosta like have nothing, thats bad because for what i hear is a good option for OC :/
Get a DMM (they are like $10), software is crap/false. Look at my results on the M9 should should be similar to the M7 and M5
    
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Get a DMM (they are like $10), software is crap/false. Look at my results on the M9 should should be similar to the M7 and M5
Fu$#"$" i dotn now why i buy this board, i mean how the can just forget that part is important and they just take it out!! that´s is why i am braking my head finding the correct core and vcore to 4.5 dammm
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I noticed huge droop and drop, but turning LLC on High on the gaming 7 board solved issue completely. TBH I really don't think the C- power saving settings effect stability I have left all on with no stability issues, and its awesome knowing your volts are around .800v-1.13v when just browsing the web.

Im sure you dont crash anymore... you probably pushing way pass 1.5V right now

Careful if you read my prev post Under LLC high and adaptive to +.000 my cpu vcore hit 1.55V + on the multimeter but like 1.4 and less on software, even if you use manual your software will report a small vroop on HIGH but the reality is other way around, with manual vcore bios on 1.395 , on load the real vcore is like 1.425V, there no dropp on HIGH with gigabyte it way pass the real voltage you put in.

LLC is way worst with adaptive than manual but I wont use it at all in adaptive without a multimeter with a decent accuracy on manual I wont go past 1.4v in bios that should give you near 1.44-1.45 for real.

Read my previous posts on vcore and multimeter , I did a bunch with software reading and real reading
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Fu$#"$" i dotn now why i buy this board, i mean how the can just forget that part is important and they just take it out!! that´s is why i am braking my head finding the correct core and vcore to 4.5 dammm

Yea I know its tough without read points, but they aren't hard to find and access if your case has access to the back of the VRM area (most do for heatsink hold-down clearnace).

On average I would say stay under 80C, but hitting 80C with a solid AIO liek the H110i GT requires around 1.4v on a 6700K. I know many focus on voltages, but I would focus on temperatures just like on previous platforms. If you can keep the CPU under 80C that is what matters, and that takes 1.4v on most high-end AIO cooling solutions.

Buy a DMM, almost any digital multi meter will have decent enough accuracy for 10-100mv which is what you need, higher cost DMMs measure other things better and are more precise and accurate, but cheap DMMs work fine for this type of voltage measurement, I don't see a difference between a $10 DMM and a $150 DMM for this type of work.
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What board do you have?
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Yea I know its tough without read points, but they aren't hard to find and access if your case has access to the back of the VRM area (most do for heatsink hold-down clearnace).

On average I would say stay under 80C, but hitting 80C with a solid AIO liek the H110i GT requires around 1.4v on a 6700K. I know many focus on voltages, but I would focus on temperatures just like on previous platforms. If you can keep the CPU under 80C that is what matters, and that takes 1.4v on most high-end AIO cooling solutions.

Buy a DMM, almost any digital multi meter will have decent enough accuracy for 10-100mv which is what you need, higher cost DMMs measure other things better and are more precise and accurate, but cheap DMMs work fine for this type of voltage measurement, I don't see a difference between a $10 DMM and a $150 DMM for this type of work.

I'm only at ~70 on 1.375v on air with 6700k under x264 load so that's np

Have you tested a VIII Hero? I'd like to know what LLC is doing and if i should lower it some
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