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Europe is Europe but pricing in Finland has nothing to do with pricing in Portugal or Romania. Also keep in mind performance is just one feature.
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Europe is Europe but pricing in Finland has nothing to do with pricing in Portugal or Romania. Also keep in mind performance is just one feature.

The most important one to the majority too.
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Yea from what I've seen europe is consistently taking crazy pills right before pricing their nividia cards.

The same in China, it's part of the green tax you pay.
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Most sites are saying a HD7870 has better performance...I bought this video card in 2013 for $200....This card costs what, $160? $40 more..3 years ago...*** IS GOING ON IN THE MARKET TODAY.
No wonder I haven't updated my PC in years.
No reason to on the CPU side, and my video card still plays the majority of games at high settings with 30fps+. (30fps is fine for single player)
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Most sites are saying a HD7870 has better performance...I bought this video card in 2013 for $200....This card costs what, $160? $40 more..3 years ago...*** IS GOING ON IN THE MARKET TODAY.
No wonder I haven't updated my PC in years.
No reason to on the CPU side, and my video card still plays the majority of games at high settings with 30fps+. (30fps is fine for single player)
then stick with ur hardware.

As long as Nvidia/AMD & Intel didnt improve, there is no reason for us to upgrade. It is only a matter of time the entire market become this way and start hurting them. biggrin.gif
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Most sites are saying a HD7870 has better performance...I bought this video card in 2013 for $200....This card costs what, $160? $40 more..3 years ago...*** IS GOING ON IN THE MARKET TODAY.
No wonder I haven't updated my PC in years.
No reason to on the CPU side, and my video card still plays the majority of games at high settings with 30fps+. (30fps is fine for single player)
Well, the card is competing against the 7850 I mean R7 265 No wait. R7 370!

AMD screwed up their finances, and had to cut R&D to stay afloat, so now Nvidia is laughing all the way to the bank, while the consumers suffer.
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post #67 of 82
AMD should have went after the low range/mid range market rather than the high end enthusiast market. This is where nvidia has the least brand presence because of their generally worse price to performance. This would have garnered them exponentially more marketshare than Fury can muster and they wouldn't have all these supply and manufacturing woes.

Nvidia's current problem is their memory controllers take up too much room. It's why their architecture tend to be worse on the low end because they often skimp out on it to make the die small.

AMD on the other hand is good at making small memory controllers which have quite a high bus width for the size. It's why pitcairns was a much stronger chip than the gtx 650 ti. AMD should have made another part around 200-250mm2 with about 15-25% better performance than a 270x. This would make it at gtx 960 range for performance and then charged 180 dollars for it(and let the price stabilize at 160).

As is, they have a a 285 that's a 50% bigger chip that sells for only 20-40dollars more than such a hypothetical chip and it seems less profitable.

Nvidia's gtx 960/950 are weak cards compared to the rest of the Maxwell lineup and it should have been predictable considering the gx106 chips have always been underperforming parts.

They could have done this by making a 1536 shader part, with tonga's improvements. It might not match not match maxwell's performance per watt but they could sell it high volume and they would of had a new laptop chip. Such a chip would be a perfect candidate to use in the larger macbook pros and would have allowed AMD to charge a bit of a premium to Apple for putting a new chip in their laptops. Considering the macbooks use an ancient chip inside their laptop, I can imagine AMD is basically giving it away to apple to use it much like a similar move to the past like how AMD charged Apple no premium to use their chips in the MAC pro desktop. Fiji because of it's cost, size and unmanufacturability, will sell 100 times less videocards than 160 dollar pitcairns successor. AMD market research and segmentation are screwed up and is what lead to this blunder on their part.

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Well, the card is competing against the 7850 I mean R7 265 No wait. R7 370!

AMD screwed up their finances, and had to cut R&D to stay afloat, so now Nvidia is laughing all the way to the bank, while the consumers suffer.
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Well, the card is competing against the 7850 I mean R7 265 No wait. R7 370!

AMD screwed up their finances, and had to cut R&D to stay afloat, so now Nvidia is laughing all the way to the bank, while the consumers suffer.

I would say although prices are a bit high. It's a bit inflated because the artificially depressed pricing on AMD parts. The street prices AMD cards fall to generally are only profitable if you skimp on R and D.

Although Nvidia is making some money, I hardly look at it as laughing to the bank. Removing the payment from Intel, they generally make about 110 million a quarter in net profit. This is hardly that much when you consider they have 70-80% of the the market and make 1.1 billion in revenue. This is of course because they spend so much on R and D.

Nvidia extra spending on R and D is what has allowed them to launch a 2nd graphic architecture at 28nms. And I suspect this will probably translate well at 16nm's too. AMD has spent all of it money on zen and it is probably the right move to make. The profits in graphics isn't sustainable for two companies with rising cost of wafers and the high development costs. If nvidia charged what they did this generation, but using 16nm, keeping die sizes the same, they would lose money. The vast majority of Nvidia cost of sales is spent on wafers on the production of dies. At 16nm, the price of these wafers is doubling and considering Nvidia spent 440 million about last quarter on cost of sales, with zero 16nm chips, then its obvious that either prices have to rise or R and D spending needs to decrease.

CPU profits are much richer. Intel made 3 billion in net profit and this is with them spending billions on Fabrication equipment and R and D and the loss of money from giving away ATOM chips to tablet and phone manufacturers. If AMD is able to steal significant marketshare from Intel while not spending the money Intel does from Node and manufacturing research and development, it could be worth billions to them compared to insignificant profit in the GPU sector.
Edited by tajoh111 - 9/21/15 at 1:20pm
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I guess the ultimate question is, do you go for this thing for $150, or do you step up to a 4gb 960 for $200? Is the extra $50 worth it in terms of performance? From what I understand, this thing nips at the 960s heels quite often.
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I guess the ultimate question is, do you go for this thing for $150, or do you step up to a 4gb 960 for $200? Is the extra $50 worth it in terms of performance? From what I understand, this thing nips at the 960s heels quite often.

I'd rather recommend giving second hand buying a serious consideration at this point.
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I'd rather recommend giving second hand buying a serious consideration at this point.

If going second hand everything gets very complex because you have to evaluate each deal individually. Prices can vary a lot week to week (up or down) and you need to question what happened to the card before.

Of course you can get much better performance than a 950 for the same price if you go used. That said I honestly would recommend used instead of this to people as well, if they wanted as much performance/$ as they could get and didn't mind buying used. That is always true in this price bracket, isn't it?

Do we know if this card supports HDCP 2.2 on its HDMI 2.0? For an HTPC this would be a great card if it had HDCP 2.2. Without it the 960 remains unique and a nice card for the future. I would be more likely to use a 960 in five years than my 980 Ti (though neither is likely) as a low end GPU to drive a 4K TV in a relatives home.
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