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I still dont see anything but assumptions that justifie your way of living.
Its the Suns fault? Do you have any idea how the Sun works?
It is just a theory hmm where have i heard that befor... Oh thats right creationists who have run out of arguments.
Hint: gravity is a theory to so why dont you jump out of a skyscraper to test if those evil scientist have create a big hoax to keep us down...

I honestly expected people here Were more logical, but the science doesn't give you an excuse to reales tons and tons of CO2...
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I still dont see anything but assumptions that justifie your way of living.
Its the Suns fault? Do you have any idea how the Sun works?
It is just a theory hmm where have i heard that befor... Oh thats right creationists who have run out of arguments.
Hint: gravity is a theory to so why dont you jump out of a skyscraper to test if those evil scientist have create a big hoax to keep us down...

I honestly expected people here Were more logical, but the science doesn't give you an excuse to reales tons and tons of CO2...

We English (albeit not my generation) grew wine ranks in London once upon a time, and did ice skating on the river Thames. That suggests a different climate from the one we have today, and this was pre-industrial revolution. As I said, the climate changes all of the time. Those who are skeptical of the agenda of governments don't lack logical, rational, and sound arguments.


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Its the Suns fault? Do you have any idea how the Sun works?

No one's blaming the sun this is not about putting blame; but feel free to introduce another source that could change the temperature (thus the climate) on this planet in such a major way.

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Hint: gravity is a theory to so why dont you jump out of a skyscraper to test if those evil scientist have create a big hoax to keep us down...

In what way could gravity be used to manipulate and control peoples lives? Heck, even nations.

Scientists are just like you and I and anyone else, in that they have their own axes to grind, their own flaws etc. Do not assume they are flawless or without scruples or impervious to various forms of pressure and influence just because they are scientists.
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I'll just leave this here again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_science

Along with the reminder nothing is really ever proven if you want to get hyper technical because we will never have a way to measure anything with infinite precision.

I agree that a suspicion of those trying to force things on us is healthy; so long as you do not allow it to become the crux of your actions/inactions. IE, it is a good idea to question things, but only to the point that you do not become so focused with arguing that you ignore the data that is being provided to you. This is tantamount to arguing with a doctor that while there's a 50% chance of dying from a certain condition you're not going to follow their advice because the therapy/treatment they're offering will cost you more money than not doing it. Again, when dealing with what you perceive as imperfect information (IE data that is tampered with or has ulterior motives) you need to ask whether the risks of inaction are worth it.
     
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post #384 of 580
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We English (albeit not my generation) grew wine ranks in London once upon a time, and did ice skating on the river Thames. That suggests a different climate from the one we have today, and this was pre-industrial revolution. As I said, the climate changes all of the time. Those who are skeptical of the agenda of governments don't lack logical, rational, and sound arguments.

you just proved my point, we first started relealising large quantaties of CO2 when the industrial revolution started, the last part is true.

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No one's blaming the sun this is not about putting blame; but feel free to introduce another source that could change the temperature (thus the climate) on this planet in such a major way.
In what way could gravity be used to manipulates and control peoples lives? Heck, even nations.

No one apart from you
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However; the major changes we see sure as heck aren't caused by man, it is most likely caused by the sun. I can't think of any other source that could change the climate in such a rapid pace.

and gravity sure as hell controlls and manipulate you hint: you are on the ground because of gravity, and you cant fly because of gravity.

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Scientists are just like you and I and anyone else, in that they have their own axes to grind, their own flaws etc. Do not assume they are flawless or without scruples or impervious to various forms of pressure and influence just because they are scientists.

Why would i care about their personalty if their theory's can be verified by experiments... And by the way i think it would be much more convinient for the to deny the man made climate change since it removes fault from them and they would still keep their jobs since as i said the jobs they are performing would still help and be needed

and still no sign of scientific proof...
Edited by Natskyge - 9/1/15 at 10:59am
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you just proved my point, we first started relealising large quantaties of CO2 when the industrial revolution started, the last part is true.

I proved my point, and the window since we started measuring is rather small.

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No one apart from you

Where did I blame the sun? I can't find it, could you quote me please. Again, this is not about putting blame, unless of course, the agenda here is to blame humanity for he major climate changes that we see.

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and gravity sure as hell controlls and manipulate you hint: you are on the ground because of gravity, and you cant fly because of gravity.

And now you're simply being obtuse.

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Why would i care about their personalty if their theory's can be verified by experiments...

First off, the scientific community are not in full agreement, secondly, who are conducting these experiments? Then verifying them? Who are paying for them?

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and still no sign of scientific proof...

Yeah, we're still waiting.


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but the science doesn't give you an excuse to reales tons and tons of CO2...

Tell that to the cows they didn't get the message.
Edited by vallonen - 9/1/15 at 11:35am
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I still dont see anything but assumptions that justifie your way of living.
Its the Suns fault? Do you have any idea how the Sun works?
It is just a theory hmm where have i heard that befor... Oh thats right creationists who have run out of arguments.
Hint: gravity is a theory to so why dont you jump out of a skyscraper to test if those evil scientist have create a big hoax to keep us down...

I honestly expected people here Were more logical, but the science doesn't give you an excuse to reales tons and tons of CO2...

Still waiting on a response. Would you like us to shut down all the dirty power plants and move back into the caves?
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I still dont see anything but assumptions that justifie your way of living.
Its the Suns fault? Do you have any idea how the Sun works?
It is just a theory hmm where have i heard that befor... Oh thats right creationists who have run out of arguments.
Hint: gravity is a theory to so why dont you jump out of a skyscraper to test if those evil scientist have create a big hoax to keep us down...

I honestly expected people here Were more logical, but the science doesn't give you an excuse to reales tons and tons of CO2...

Still waiting on a response. Would you like us to shut down all the dirty power plants and move back into the caves?

If we did that, China would be broke and/or nuke the rest of us out of existence so they could carry on business as usual. lol biggrin.gif

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The climate changes all of the time it has changed ever since the Earth was created and it will keep changing after we are long gone. I'm not saying that what we put out into the environment wouldn't affect us, of course it does, we do live here so what we do to the environment we do to ourselves by pure extension, However; the major changes we see sure as heck aren't caused by man, it is most likely caused by the sun. I can't think of any other source that could change the climate in such a rapid pace.

I think the issue here is that people are climate biased, meaning; they are used to a climate that never changes. Then all the sudden things starts to change and hey presto! "Oh my gawd alert general the Earth is going down we are going down with it we must do something it is our fault apparently please do something to save us...yeah tax us to death, that will help, yeah agenda 21 sounds even better! Hit us hit hit us.

I think a more sober and logical and balanced approach would be advisable here. It's also a moral question; because the developing countries do have every right to improve their living standards without some central point of authority dictating to them what they can and cannot do.

"However; the major changes we see sure as heck aren't caused by man, it is most likely caused by the sun. I can't think of any other source that could change the climate in such a rapid pace. "

Also who do you think is paying the scientist for prooving climate change is a hoax? And the way things work in science is there is the commonly accepted theory if you think it is wrong then the burden is on you to proove it since the established theory already has been proven to be correct in the eyes of the scientific community. i wont bother with the rest of your post since you didn't do anything to proove my point wronge.

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Still waiting on a response. Would you like us to shut down all the dirty power plants and move back into the caves?

yes i would, and then replace them with nuclear/wind/solar power plants which would last longer and not release tons of CO2

im off for now when i come back i hope you have some real proof in place of opinions and asumptions.
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"However; the major changes we see sure as heck aren't caused by man, it is most likely caused by the sun. I can't think of any other source that could change the climate in such a rapid pace. "

You managed to quote me correctly, again, where did I blame the sun? I don't see it.


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The way things work in science is there is the commonly accepted theory if you think it is wrong then the burden is on you to proove it since the established theory already has been proven to be correct in the eyes of the scientific community..

You didn't describe science you just described politics.
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yes i would, and then replace them with nuclear/wind/solar power plants which would last longer and not release tons of CO2

Don't forget to also kill all the cows you have roaming freely in Denmark, dem cows release tons of C02.
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im off for now i come back when I have some real proof in place of opinions and asumptions.

Yeah come back when you have some proof in place of opinions and assumptions please.
Edited by vallonen - 9/1/15 at 11:58am
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