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It's a hot one today. High 91.
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But you're a small piece of the population map.

Point is where would you put them?

Guarantee if some engineer would suggest Portland Oregon due to the many islands dotting the Columbia Gorge and prime access to water for cooling, there would be a list (bigger than Santa's naughty nice list) of people trying to stop it for various reasons, not the least of which preserving the Gorge.

Yeah Oregon is full of environmental "whackjobs" but the point is if we could build a Nuclear Power Plant today, it would already be under way and nobody care. But people do care so we cannot. wink.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

Well I'd love to have one in my backyard. As t00sl0w said, modem design reactors are the answer to many problems. All the fear against them is pure ignorance on the reality of what they are. Safe, clean, reliable energy. Cooling and meltdowns are not a factor. And they need not be a large facility, many smaller ones would be better. Think nuclear submarine reactors for size. I'd love to have one in my backyard, no more work for me biggrin.gif

But the reality is very powerful interest are against this, as it wipes them out of the market completely. Another thing to consider is that electricity prices will skyrocket if the current administration has their way with coal and gas burning plants, thus hurting us regular folks even more. They don't care, we deserve it. kookoo.gif

As far as the environmental "whackjobs" in Oregon or States of similar political landscapes, they don't have to adopt this new, and wonderful technology. And they will pay the price in energy costs and being dirtier than there nuclear neighbors, sooner than later they would come around.

Think of it for a moment. Hydrogen is a wonderful battery, the best ever, as when it releases its energy the "waste" is water. But there is no free hydrogen on Earth, it takes power to free it. These reactors placed around the country could provide all the power we cold ever need for this and everything else too. Now you have your electric cars and trucks with the range we must have=unlimited! thumb.gif

Plenty of money to be made for everyone here, but very powerful forces would fight to the death to stop this, so sad. buttkick.gif

Anyway we have solutions to our problems, but the greedy stand in the way as usual. And I will never believe the climate change "scare scam"

Fear not smile.gif Oh ya, this post was powered by a nuclear power plant about 25 miles away form me.
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and al gore.

and let me tell you he was soooo right about nafta.

Now that's funny considering it was his boss that signed it into law back in 95......

Go figure.
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I think the point is that the man defended NAFTA as vehemently as he championed Global Warming. Not that he signed it into law. wink.gif

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I think the point is that the man defended NAFTA as vehemently as he championed Global Warming. Not that he signed it into law. wink.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

Well, I did say his boss signed it... thumb.gif

And he defends it because it's part of the agenda he and his boss pushed.

Just sayin... rolleyes.gif
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Not true at all. I already posted up links showing that right now we have more ice on our caps then we have for decades. Stop being a sheep.

With the credibility of your sources you may as well be linking to the National Enquirer. rolleyes.gif

Climate change denying is kind of like denying the holocaust. Feel free to do so: at the expense of all your credibility.

I have no need to prove Climate Change because there's so much evidence for it including empirical data collected in the last 3 years. It's ike asking for proof that what you're breathing is oxygen.

http://grist.org/climate-energy/antarctic-ice-is-growing/

That link is specifically for you.
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Uneducated and biased? You think it's fair that you have stereotyped those who refuse to believe the reverse engineered theory of global warming? At one time it was a scientific consensus that the world was round. It is ignorant, lazy, and arrogant to think that our CO2 production is the main cause of changing weather patterns on this planet when we barely understand the weather to begin with.

For arguments sake even if the climate alarmists had an answer and we knew how to control the temperature change, what would we do? Lower the temperature and upset some other fragile balance? No, we leave it alone and adapt to the changes just like almost every other living thing on this planet is programmed to do in its DNA. And yes, I obviously believe the theory of evolution, and yes I am educated and intelligent enough to think for myself and not believe everything that is shoved down my throat.

It is a fallacy to think that because man upsets some of the balance of the environments he inhabits that he is autatically the cause of any change that occurs. We haven't recorded changing weather patterns long enough to even know if the changes are out of the ordinary. Man has only been on this planet for a very short time, but of course we are arrogant enough to think that we can change our environment to suit us instead of adapting to its inevitable changes.

We have core samples indicating previous weather patterns taken from ice and soil in multiple locations.

We also see a direct result of the climate change as Western Antartica's water is warm enough to carve off massive subes of ice which in turn melt and raise the sea level.

In Greenland there's pollution turning the ice black which in turn traps thermodynamic energy and causes the ice to melt when it normally would not.

Bangladesh's costal region doesn't exist anymore, it's been flooded out and turned into marsh land or ocean as a result.

http://www.planetexperts.com/greenland-ice-turning-black-thats-bad-news/

Feel free to google the thousands of other sites reporting on that issue.

http://www.rtcc.org/2015/05/07/scientists-warn-of-runaway-west-antarctic-ice-melt/

This is why people denying climate change are simply and ineloquently put: crazies. Anyone who does a reasonable amount of research will know this through trending, through scientific fact, through empirical data and so forth. There's so much evidence you could build an 8th world wonder out of it.
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With the credibility of your sources you may as well be linking to the National Enquirer. rolleyes.gif

Climate change denying is kind of like denying the holocaust. Feel free to do so: at the expense of all your credibility.

I have no need to prove Climate Change because there's so much evidence for it including empirical data collected in the last 3 years. It's ike asking for proof that what you're breathing is oxygen.

http://grist.org/climate-energy/antarctic-ice-is-growing/

That link is specifically for you.


This statement make you look like a complete tool- "Climate change denying is kind of like denying the holocaust. Feel free to do so: at the expense of all your credibility."

You have no credibility when try to persuade someone by attacking them. Loosing the debate, resort to name calling, classy but predictable rolleyes.gif

And your source is creditable, By Coby Beck on 7 Nov 2006 laugher.gif This guys no scientist, he's an activist!

And if you think 3 years of twisted data proves anything your just a fool.



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We have core samples indicating previous weather patterns taken from ice and soil in multiple locations.

We also see a direct result of the climate change as Western Antartica's water is warm enough to carve off massive subes of ice which in turn melt and raise the sea level.

In Greenland there's pollution turning the ice black which in turn traps thermodynamic energy and causes the ice to melt when it normally would not.

Bangladesh's costal region doesn't exist anymore, it's been flooded out and turned into marsh land or ocean as a result.

http://www.planetexperts.com/greenland-ice-turning-black-thats-bad-news/

Feel free to google the thousands of other sites reporting on that issue.

http://www.rtcc.org/2015/05/07/scientists-warn-of-runaway-west-antarctic-ice-melt/

This is why people denying climate change are simply and ineloquently put: crazies. Anyone who does a reasonable amount of research will know this through trending, through scientific fact, through empirical data and so forth. There's so much evidence you could build an 8th world wonder out of it.

"through trending, through scientific fact, through empirical data and so forth"- this is so much crap.


Fact is "Global warming" has not been happening for the last 19 years. Do some objective research yourself instead of trying to prove your semi-religious point of view.

How about this for evidence of no sea level rise. 10 years ago I was in NYC, down on the water in Battery park. I was recently back there, same tide but the water is not flooding the city. So when the sea levels actually rise then maybe you got something. And this is observing with my own eyes, not believing someone you don't even know. According to Al Gore NYC should be under water in 2016, so better hurry. tongue.gif


You really should relax a bit and enjoy your life, it'll be OK thumb.gif
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No there is evidence of climate change, but nothing to prove that we are directly causing it. Yes, we can see weather patterns from times before recorded history, but the earth has been ever changing since the beginning of time. Scientists are even so bold to say that we are now responsible for the rise in extreme weather (like it was never there before), what a bunch of BS, sorry. If you truly believe that without question you are a puppet.

That is similar to ancient beliefs that sacrificing humans will appease the gods to stop droughts. I wonder if the Maya's CO2 output was also responsible for their inevitable downfall. No, overpopulation was and that will ultimately threaten our society long before rising seas and extreme weather ever do. We will see the impact of scarce drinking water and thinning food supply in our lifetimes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with our carbon footprint as a species. Yes we inherently cause an imbalance with our environment, and I am not debating that fact. As a species we have been instinctively predicting the end of days for thousands of years, but the actual cause changes from culture to culture. But that just doesn't mean that we are causing the weather to change. It is a reverse engineered theory based on that idea to help facilitate policy change.

I read the farmers almanac to get an idea of the upcoming winter season here in NE and it has been scary accurate over the last 5 years. It uses a secret formula and relies heavily on solar cycles and sun spots to predict changing weather patterns for the year. Why doesn't the sun or the earth's movement through the solar system/physics factor into the global warming theory? Because it would downplay our supposed role in altering the temperatures on the planet and ultimately make people care less (and spend less money). You can believe whatever you want buddy, but don't ride in on your high horse and label everyone else who is an independent thinker a crazy (among other things). Progressives always think they know what is best for everyone. Just leave the damn planet alone, it was fine before we were here and it will be fine long after we leave...
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This statement make you look like a complete tool- "Climate change denying is kind of like denying the holocaust. Feel free to do so: at the expense of all your credibility."

You have no credibility when try to persuade someone by attacking them. Loosing the debate, resort to name calling, classy but predictable rolleyes.gif

And your source is creditable, By Coby Beck on 7 Nov 2006 laugher.gif

And if you think 3 years of twisted data proves anything your just a fool.
Fact is "Global warming" has not been happening for the last 19 years. Do some objective research yourself instead of trying to prove your semi-religious point of view.

For me to lose a debate, there'd have to be a debate. This is me telling you how things are. Big difference. You don't debate with climate change deniers, you tell them how it is and let them squirm against the cold, hard evidence.

Your response tells me you literally have no knowledge on the subject. I could go into why but what's the point? You'll just deny that too.


P.S. Just as a taste, 3 years isn't a specific number. That's just a random, safe figure I pulled off the top of my head because I'm not sure when the Western Antartica flow has been monitored since but it's been at least 3 years. Any research you did on your part would have revealed Climate Change data goes back into hte early 2000s.

2nd, the date of X information being found is irrelavent as long as the information is correct. Case and point: jump up and down. If you don't float Newton's theory still stands.

It's stuff like this which tells me you have no clue about the topic and are just raging because I hit a nerve. but feel free to post your climate change denying links, I'll be happy to get a good chuckle at your expense - and who knows? Maybe you'll actually focus on one of the few viable point climate change deniers have. (there's only 2).

Color me condascending but if you're to participate in a topic as important as this: I expect you to be informed properly on the subject and to read up on things if you don't know.
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