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LOL, I picture the Grim Reaper cloaked in tin foil and a scythe dripping with red cherry koolade
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Originally Posted by DIYDeath View Post

For me to lose a debate, there'd have to be a debate. This is me telling you how things are. Big difference. You don't debate with climate change deniers, you tell them how it is and let them squirm against the cold, hard evidence.

Your response tells me you literally have no knowledge on the subject. I could go into why but what's the point? You'll just deny that too.


P.S. Just as a taste, 3 years isn't a specific number. That's just a random, safe figure I pulled off the top of my head because I'm not sure when the Western Antartica flow has been monitored since but it's been at least 3 years. Any research you did on your part would have revealed Climate Change data goes back into hte early 2000s.

2nd, the date of X information being found is irrelavent as long as the information is correct. Case and point: jump up and down. If you don't float Newton's theory still stands.

It's stuff like this which tells me you have no clue about the topic and are just raging because I hit a nerve. but feel free to post your climate change denying links, I'll be happy to get a good chuckle at your expense - and who knows? Maybe you'll actually focus on one of the few viable point climate change deniers have. (there's only 2).

Color me condascending but if you're to participate in a topic as important as this: I expect you to be informed properly on the subject and to read up on things if you don't know.



And just who the hell do think you are. doh.gif And Coby Beck is no scientist, he is a activist.
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LOL, I picture the Grim Reaper cloaked in tin foil and a scythe dripping with red cherry koolade

In 10 years when your coast line is missing 10-20 ft you'll be singing a different tune (based on the latest models which are actually too slow). We're talking scientific fact. You guys are the crazies, not me.
Edited by DIYDeath - 9/3/15 at 6:49pm
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No there is evidence of climate change, but nothing to prove that we are directly causing it. Yes, we can see weather patterns from times before recorded history, but the earth has been ever changing since the beginning of time. Scientists are even so bold to say that we are now responsible for the rise in extreme weather (like it was never there before), what a bunch of BS, sorry. If you truly believe that without question you are a puppet.

That is similar to ancient beliefs that sacrificing humans will appease the gods to stop droughts. I wonder if the Maya's CO2 output was also responsible for their inevitable downfall. No, overpopulation was and that will ultimately threaten our society long before rising seas and extreme weather ever do. We will see the impact of scarce drinking water and thinning food supply in our lifetimes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with our carbon footprint as a species. Yes we inherently cause an imbalance with our environment, and I am not debating that fact. As a species we have been instinctively predicting the end of days for thousands of years, but the actual cause changes from culture to culture. But that just doesn't mean that we are causing the weather to change. It is a reverse engineered theory based on that idea to help facilitate policy change.

I read the farmers almanac to get an idea of the upcoming winter season here in NE and it has been scary accurate over the last 5 years. It uses a secret formula and relies heavily on solar cycles and sun spots to predict changing weather patterns for the year. Why doesn't the sun or the earth's movement through the solar system/physics factor into the global warming theory? Because it would downplay our supposed role in altering the temperatures on the planet and ultimately make people care less (and spend less money). You can believe whatever you want buddy, but don't ride in on your high horse and label everyone else who is an independent thinker a crazy (among other things). Progressives always think they know what is best for everyone. Just leave the damn planet alone, it was fine before we were here and it will be fine long after we leave...

Quite a secret that the sun controls the average temperature of the Earth biggrin.gif
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And just who the hell do think you are. doh.gif And Coby Beck is no scientist, he is a activist.

I'm the guy with enough common sense to research the topic and not simply dismiss facts due to a name.

Can't see the forest from the trees eh? Rhentorical question. We both know you don't know squat about the subject at hand.
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You wanna k ow why Nuclear is not viable?

Google "3 mile Island".

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif
It's not viable because of how irrationally scared everyone got after the Fukushima incident. The Three Mile Island incident didn't result in any significant contamination outside of the facility. Both incidents were caused by mismanagement and human error, not the tech itself (same with Chernobyl, really). Fun fact to chew on, as well: nobody at any point has died as a result of commercial nuclear power being developed and used in this country. Coal miner deaths (and coal plant pollution/radiation), natural gas explosions, and the massive real estate required for wind and solar (for now) still render nuclear our best option, with geothermal being a solid backup plan. Molten sodium-cooled reactor designs also eliminate the need for both a nearby fresh water source for cooling AND a large containment facility, meaning you can drop them pretty much anywhere you have a few acres' of empty plot available. It's not that complicated, and it's far safer than we're meant to think it is. The sooner we pull our heads out of wherever as a country, the better. It's exhausting and aggravating watching so many people dismiss safe, clean, efficient, long-term-cost-effective solutions because of a single incident that didn't even happen here and was ultimately the result of an unstoppable force of nature.

As for the real topic at hand, as it's been pointed out already, climate change is real, but we're largely not responsible for it (doesn't mean we should stop improving our tech, anything that runs better and cleaner for longer while not being a power hog is always good). We're in the middle of a natural warming cycle with 3-4 thousand years to go before we're meant to drop back into the next long-term ice age. Mini ice ages are obviously possible and likely inevitable, but it's nearly impossible to nail down when the next one is going to happen.
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It's not viable because of how irrationally scared everyone got after the Fukushima incident. The Three Mile Island incident didn't result in any significant contamination outside of the facility. Both incidents were caused by mismanagement and human error, not the tech itself (same with Chernobyl, really). Fun fact to chew on, as well: nobody at any point has died as a result of commercial nuclear power being developed and used in this country. Coal miner deaths (and coal plant pollution/radiation), natural gas explosions, and the massive real estate required for wind and solar (for now) still render nuclear our best option, with geothermal being a solid backup plan. Molten sodium-cooled reactor designs also eliminate the need for both a nearby fresh water source for cooling AND a large containment facility, meaning you can drop them pretty much anywhere you have a few acres' of empty plot available. It's not that complicated, and it's far safer than we're meant to think it is. The sooner we pull our heads out of wherever as a country, the better. It's exhausting and aggravating watching so many people dismiss safe, clean, efficient, long-term-cost-effective solutions because of a single incident that didn't even happen here and was ultimately the result of an unstoppable force of nature.

As for the real topic at hand, as it's been pointed out already, climate change is real, but we're largely not responsible for it (doesn't mean we should stop improving our tech, anything that runs better and cleaner for longer while not being a power hog is always good). We're in the middle of a natural warming cycle with 3-4 thousand years to go before we're meant to drop back into the next long-term ice age. Mini ice ages are obviously possible and likely inevitable, but it's nearly impossible to nail down when the next one is going to happen.

Thanks, this is really where I was trying to take this thread, I'm chillin. biggrin.gif
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It's not viable because of how irrationally scared everyone got after the Fukushima incident. The Three Mile Island incident didn't result in any significant contamination outside of the facility. Both incidents were caused by mismanagement and human error, not the tech itself (same with Chernobyl, really). Fun fact to chew on, as well: nobody at any point has died as a result of commercial nuclear power being developed and used in this country. Coal miner deaths (and coal plant pollution/radiation), natural gas explosions, and the massive real estate required for wind and solar (for now) still render nuclear our best option, with geothermal being a solid backup plan. Molten sodium-cooled reactor designs also eliminate the need for both a nearby fresh water source for cooling AND a large containment facility, meaning you can drop them pretty much anywhere you have a few acres' of empty plot available. It's not that complicated, and it's far safer than we're meant to think it is. The sooner we pull our heads out of wherever as a country, the better. It's exhausting and aggravating watching so many people dismiss safe, clean, efficient, long-term-cost-effective solutions because of a single incident that didn't even happen here and was ultimately the result of an unstoppable force of nature.

As for the real topic at hand, as it's been pointed out already, climate change is real, but we're largely not responsible for it (doesn't mean we should stop improving our tech, anything that runs better and cleaner for longer while not being a power hog is always good). We're in the middle of a natural warming cycle with 3-4 thousand years to go before we're meant to drop back into the next long-term ice age. Mini ice ages are obviously possible and likely inevitable, but it's nearly impossible to nail down when the next one is going to happen.

That's the entire point I was trying to make. It's unrefutably real. Denying Climate Change is absurd, so absurd special interest groups who have tens of millions of dollars invested into the system not changing aren't even trying that lame duck strategy anymore.
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^^^ Climate change has been real for billions of years. It's even real on other planets. Like Earth, Mars's warming and cooling frequencies have been directly linked to the activity of the sun. Do dinosaurs and martians also drive SUVs?
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It's good to debate but keep away from each other's throats, guys. Those posts would have been okay without doing that.
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