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Climate change is happening. We do not have enough aggregate data over a long enough period to determine what is causing it. However, what we do know is that the climate has gone through much more wild swings natural and not only did the wildlife and plant life survive, but the planet thrived. IN FACT, when there was 500% more of the CO2 in the atmosphere than there is now the Earth had more life on it than it does now. You might have heard of it.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic

Now here is what I do know for a fact.

1) Science is funded by grants and to get grants you must be on a cutting edge technology OR research that is considered high importance regarding the survival of the species (Ironically we do not spend much on the space program which would prevent asteroids from killing off our entire species. a MUCH more likely threat)

2) Much of the data that says the Earth is going through massive temperature swings has been found to have been fraudulently tampered with.



And that is what I know. How can I trust this group when they have already lied to me once. I will wait another 20 years and see what happens. Humans will adapt and survive. That is what has made us the dominant species on the planet for the last 200,000 years.
 
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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

Climate change is happening. We do not have enough aggregate data over a long enough period to determine what is causing it. However, what we do know is that the climate has gone through much more wild swings natural and not only did the wildlife and plant life survive, but the planet thrived. IN FACT, when there was 500% more of the CO2 in the atmosphere than there is now the Earth had more life on it than it does now. You might have heard of it.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic

Now here is what I do know for a fact.

1) Science is funded by grants and to get grants you must be on a cutting edge technology OR research that is considered high importance regarding the survival of the species (Ironically we do not spend much on the space program which would prevent asteroids from killing off our entire species. a MUCH more likely threat)

2) Much of the data that says the Earth is going through massive temperature swings has been found to have been fraudulently tampered with.



And that is what I know. How can I trust this group when they have already lied to me once. I will wait another 20 years and see what happens. Humans will adapt and survive. That is what has made us the dominant species on the planet for the last 200,000 years.

You make a great point. Imagine if we spent even a tenth of the money wasted on climate change research instead on NEO detection? That would be of far more benefit to humanity than this current crap we keep getting beaten over the head with by politicians and activists/ At least with asteroids or comets we have actual proof that they would cause a mass extintion and the end of life as we know it on earth. Climate change alarmists can't even predict what will happen ten years from now, much less 100 in terms of damage caused by global warming...
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Considering the many and thoroughly discredited doomsday predictions made by these all powerful and all knowing scientists over the years, I think it may be extremely premature to start dismantling out entire modern day way of life to head off the same kind of doomsday predictions further down the road. I mean, AGW poster child Al Gore predicted no arctic ice by 2013:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/17207-al-gore-forecasted-ice-free-arctic-by-2013-ice-cover-expands-50

The infamous hockey stick graph has been completely discredited and ever prediction/computer model of destruction has been wrong so far, yet these are the same "experts" that we are now supposed to trust implicitly at the cost of our entire economy and living standards? No thanks. Even if you accepted the theory of AGW you still can't point to a single prediction of doom that has actually come to pass (remember how in 2005 they said we would be seeing more and more deadly hurricanes due to global warming and yet we have just finished a 10 year stretch of historically low hurricane activity)...

I'm posting below but the "hockey stick graph" seems to have been validated actually. Do not throw the idiot Al Gore in with actual scientist. He's an ego maniac like most politicians not a scientist.
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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

Climate change is happening. We do not have enough aggregate data over a long enough period to determine what is causing it. However, what we do know is that the climate has gone through much more wild swings natural and not only did the wildlife and plant life survive, but the planet thrived. IN FACT, when there was 500% more of the CO2 in the atmosphere than there is now the Earth had more life on it than it does now. You might have heard of it.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic

Now here is what I do know for a fact.

1) Science is funded by grants and to get grants you must be on a cutting edge technology OR research that is considered high importance regarding the survival of the species (Ironically we do not spend much on the space program which would prevent asteroids from killing off our entire species. a MUCH more likely threat)

2) Much of the data that says the Earth is going through massive temperature swings has been found to have been fraudulently tampered with.



And that is what I know. How can I trust this group when they have already lied to me once. I will wait another 20 years and see what happens. Humans will adapt and survive. That is what has made us the dominant species on the planet for the last 200,000 years.

First, just because life existed in X conditions doesn't mean current organisms could survive in those same conditions. This is just one of the ways organisms die off. How is that a hard thing to understand? We evolved during certain conditions and if they change faster than we can adopt then we end up dead. Just like all the organisms we've killed off.

Again..the data hasn't lied. You've just been fed lies by the oil, gas, and mining industries because their revenue sources are threatened. This is basically the same scenario that the tobacco industry engaged after scientist came out against them. Even now there are still people who claim cigarettes are safe or at least aren't going to kill them fast enough for them to worry about.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

You make a great point. Imagine if we spent even a tenth of the money wasted on climate change research instead on NEO detection? That would be of far more benefit to humanity than this current crap we keep getting beaten over the head with by politicians and activists/ At least with asteroids or comets we have actual proof that they would cause a mass extintion and the end of life as we know it on earth. Climate change alarmists can't even predict what will happen ten years from now, much less 100 in terms of damage caused by global warming...

Roll a dice and tell me you can predict with absolute certainty what every roll will be. Try to give the absolute certainty of the momentum and the position of a particle at the same time. I guess physics should go out the window as well?

ALRIGHT let's start this off. Honestly, with what I seem to find on CO2 it seems like we should worry more about the acidification of the ocean but I'm not a scientist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy

http://phys.org/news/2014-12-global-links-carbon-emissions.html
     
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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

Climate change is happening. We do not have enough aggregate data over a long enough period to determine what is causing it. However, what we do know is that the climate has gone through much more wild swings natural and not only did the wildlife and plant life survive, but the planet thrived. IN FACT, when there was 500% more of the CO2 in the atmosphere than there is now the Earth had more life on it than it does now. You might have heard of it.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic

Now here is what I do know for a fact.

1) Science is funded by grants and to get grants you must be on a cutting edge technology OR research that is considered high importance regarding the survival of the species (Ironically we do not spend much on the space program which would prevent asteroids from killing off our entire species. a MUCH more likely threat)

2) Much of the data that says the Earth is going through massive temperature swings has been found to have been fraudulently tampered with.



And that is what I know. How can I trust this group when they have already lied to me once. I will wait another 20 years and see what happens. Humans will adapt and survive. That is what has made us the dominant species on the planet for the last 200,000 years.

Hell ya, it could be argued that humans, not modern humans, but our direct ancestors have been on earth for up to 3 million years, could be less, but we don't really know.
And look where that lead, quite adaptable indeed. cheers.gif

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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

You make a great point. Imagine if we spent even a tenth of the money wasted on climate change research instead on NEO detection? That would be of far more benefit to humanity than this current crap we keep getting beaten over the head with by politicians and activists/ At least with asteroids or comets we have actual proof that they would cause a mass extintion and the end of life as we know it on earth. Climate change alarmists can't even predict what will happen ten years from now, much less 100 in terms of damage caused by global warming...

Both your points on freaking about AGW, and ignoring giant rocks and snowballs flying through our orbit is a comedy of errors for sure. Especially when we could have done something more than just spotting one just before it hits by now. eek.gif

I mean we walked on the dang moon in 1969 fer christs sake. sozo.gif

Anyway I couldn't agree more with that the climate is changing, and the earth revolves around the sun, and the sun heats up and cools down.
And webbles wobble but they don't fall down. biggrin.gif

But is it really warming? The long term trend points to another ice age.
We have survived ice-ages before but not with billions, we would stand a much better chance with a warm earth than a cold one.

We got bigger problems People.
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I'm posting below but the "hockey stick graph" seems to have been validated actually. Do not throw the idiot Al Gore in with actual scientist. He's an ego maniac like most politicians not a scientist.
First, just because life existed in X conditions doesn't mean current organisms could survive in those same conditions. This is just one of the ways organisms die off. How is that a hard thing to understand? We evolved during certain conditions and if they change faster than we can adopt then we end up dead. Just like all the organisms we've killed off.

Again..the data hasn't lied. You've just been fed lies by the oil, gas, and mining industries because their revenue sources are threatened. This is basically the same scenario that the tobacco industry engaged after scientist came out against them. Even now there are still people who claim cigarettes are safe or at least aren't going to kill them fast enough for them to worry about.
Roll a dice and tell me you can predict with absolute certainty what every roll will be. Try to give the absolute certainty of the momentum and the position of a particle at the same time. I guess physics should go out the window as well?

ALRIGHT let's start this off. Honestly, with what I seem to find on CO2 it seems like we should worry more about the acidification of the ocean but I'm not a scientist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy

http://phys.org/news/2014-12-global-links-carbon-emissions.html

Species rise and fall all the time, it happened before you were here. you can't stop it. New and better ones take their place, you can't stop it. And why would you want too. We don't control our environment, it controls us.

How in the world did all those large sea creatures live in the ancient oceans with all that co2 around, and i mean a lot more than today. The ancient sea creature, mostly small ones in untold numbers, turned massive amounts of carbon into oil and gas. Kinda cool how that was here for us to use.

It's a shame dumb ass people kill off Gods creatures, but what can you do? Kill the people? Earths history is full of this, our own history is full of this.
Homo sapiens most likely were responsible for the extinction of the older species of humans. Although seems there was some cross breeding with Neanderthals. Must have been, I know some, nice guys.

And so it goes, nature is a *****. biggrin.gif And like it or not, we are part of it.

What I try to remember is nothing is ever really destroyed, merely transformed. And life goes on. Hopefully we pull our collective heads out and continue with it.

And not everything is as it first appears, sometimes you just have to see what happens. Our study of physics is far from complete.

Oh, I read your giant post before edit and totally respect your point of view. I am reading some of your links, and pondering it. Thanks thumb.gif


Oh ya, I still smoke, and I'm kinda old, should probably quit. But I'm not freaking about it, I will someday no matter what. cigar.gif
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You make a great point. Imagine if we spent even a tenth of the money wasted on climate change research instead on NEO detection? That would be of far more benefit to humanity than this current crap we keep getting beaten over the head with by politicians and activists/ At least with asteroids or comets we have actual proof that they would cause a mass extintion and the end of life as we know it on earth. Climate change alarmists can't even predict what will happen ten years from now, much less 100 in terms of damage caused by global warming...

Or maybe create/fund a contingency plan for rebuilding the power grid in the event of high level coronal mass ejection/solar flare.

They can't predict what happens during the winter either. A greenhouse stays warm during the winter trapping the warmth from the sun, so theoretically our winters should also be warming, but they have not over the last several years. Then some say that winters will actually be more intense with more snow because their first prediction was BS. So what is it then? Both apparently. There are articles trying to justify both different scenarios so people don't loose faith. I don't know why we just can't accept the fact that many things are just out of our control.

Even if we discovered that we do hypothetically effect the temperatures on the planet, we still don't have an answer for what to do. If we were to stop producing CO2 at the rate we have been maintaining for decades we risk upsetting some other balance possibly and causing even further negative consequences. Plant and animal species have been adapting to higher levels of CO2 for the last century. We had better just leave these things alone and just adapt/react to the changes as they come. Unfortunately we may not be able to do that if a CME or a large enough asteroid hits the planet. So I agree that we would better off spedning effort and money on planning for those types of ELEs and not the fallout from higher temps.
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I would rather climate alarmist's come out and say
Or maybe create/fund a contingency plan for rebuilding the power grid in the event of high level coronal mass ejection/solar flare.

They can't predict what happens during the winter either. A greenhouse stays warm during the winter trapping the warmth from the sun, so theoretically our winters should also be warming, but they have not over the last several years. Then some say that winters will actually be more intense with more snow because their first prediction was BS. So what is it then? Both apparently. There are articles trying to justify both different scenarios so people don't loose faith. I don't know why we just can't accept the fact that many things are just out of our control.

Even if we discovered that we do hypothetically effect the temperatures on the planet, we still don't have an answer for what to do. If we were to stop producing CO2 at the rate we have been maintaining for decades we risk upsetting some other balance possibly and causing even further negative consequences. Plant and animal species have been adapting to higher levels of CO2 for the last century. We had better just leave these things alone and just adapt/react to the changes as they come. Unfortunately we may not be able to do that if a CME or a large enough asteroid hits the planet. So I agree that we would better off spedning effort and money on planning for those types of ELEs and not the fallout from higher temps.

You can only get people to believe something for so long, but eventually if they can't see it they will fall away. The truth always wins in the end.

Have a nice winter ya all. biggrin.gif

Oh ya, I predict a 50% chance of rain, with a feels like index of 95. Yesterdays weather here tongue.gif
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Yet a lot of people deny global warming and tag it as a hoax, hasn't anyone noticed how summers are now relativelly hotter than they used to, and shorter?

Spain resident here! Can confirm the heat!

I live in Miami, Florida. it's global warming awareness every day for us, so we don't care.
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AZ resident here, it hit 112° in some areas here this summer, not our hottest but still pretty warm, you wussies just need to learn how to deal with the heat tongue.gif

I do believe the planet is warming, it goes through natural cycles. I do not believe that Humans are the major contributing factor.
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AZ resident here, it hit 112° in some areas here this summer, not our hottest but still pretty warm, you wussies just need to learn how to deal with the heat tongue.gif

I do believe the planet is warming, it goes through natural cycles. I do not believe that Humans are the major contributing factor.

And here in NE we had a very mild summer with very few highs getting into the 90s. I don't believe that nonsense either, and not because we had a mild summer. For the same reason you stated, it is a totally random cycle effected by so many meteorological variables and outside influences like the sun and our planetary orbit. Just check the historical highs and lows of any given day in your zip and you will see widely fluctuating temperatures.
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