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Originally Posted by Sir Beregond View Post

Pretty much. Climate change has existed through history, even before man. Periods of warmth and cold. In that sense, nobody should deny climate change, because that is a straight up fact that it exists.

The part I don't agree with is that its some sort of imminent disaster brought on by man that the government then uses to further dictate how I should live my life and for hypocrites like Al Gore can profit on.

The other problem I have with the global warming / climate change crowd is that it has become synonymous with religious fanaticism where as real science is about taking an idea and doing everything possible to try to prove it wrong and that is just not what you see happening with these people that have a global warming agenda. Its all money now. Be a scientist that doesn't agree with this idea of man-made global warming and see how that works out for you with funding, etc.

It's all corrupt.

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... but if we carry on producing as much CO2 and NOx as we are now, then a disaster will happen in the distant future.

So what you are really saying is ... we should shutdown Volkswagen, arrest all the people who lied about their emissions, and confiscate all the cars. biggrin.gif
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So what you are really saying is ... we should shutdown Volkswagen, arrest all the people who lied about their emissions, and confiscate all the cars. biggrin.gif

Im interested to see how many people actually return the cars to have the "problem" fixed as it will end up costing them power and fuel economy.
   
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So what you are really saying is ... we should shutdown Volkswagen, arrest all the people who lied about their emissions, and confiscate all the cars. biggrin.gif
Why reprimand them at all if emissions don't matter?
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Why reprimand them at all if emissions don't matter?

Because ... fraud.
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Sigh again there's nothing like people ignoring science when it isn't convenient for them. It's like bankers when any externality comes up, "We didn't know about this outcome" "We need to be bailed out" and so on. Seriously people AGW is a real thing. The question is how drastic the situation is. That's all that should be discussed because that's the only real question left.

And if it's too hard for some people to read articles that were already posted here in regards to the Antarctic ice the sea ice (IE ice already in the ocean) is growing/expanding meanwhile the land ice is not. THIS IS ENTIRELY WHAT IS EXPECTED WITH AGW! What wouldn't be expected is a reversing of land ice decline.
     
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Pretty much. Climate change has existed through history, even before man. Periods of warmth and cold. In that sense, nobody should deny climate change, because that is a straight up fact that it exists.

The part I don't agree with is that its some sort of imminent disaster brought on by man that the government then uses to further dictate how I should live my life and for hypocrites like Al Gore can profit on.

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It's all corrupt.

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Sigh again there's nothing like people ignoring science when it isn't convenient for them.

Yeah, but which science should we ignore ... the one that says arctic ice is shrinking or the one that says that it's growing?
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While you are right, so is Al Gore to some extent.

Global warming has existed for as long as the Earth has had an atmosphere, but in the last 150-200 years (right when we started mass burning coal, oil and gas, a bit of a coincidence rolleyes.gif ), the amount of greenhouse gasses produced has rocketed significantly to significantly more than what it has ever been before.

Right now, what we have done can be fixed. It will take a very long time but if we carry on producing as much CO2 and NOx as we are now, then a disaster will happen in the distant future.

Actually the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are nowhere near historical levels, please don't spout misinformation. And no, what we've done can't be" fixed" in any reasonable timeframe. Unless you advocate killing 90% of humanity to reduce emissions to insignificant levels? Our emissions go up every year and the fact that you're here posting on the internet instead of living as a subsistence farmer shows that you have no intention of reducing your personal emissions either.

And while global warming may be disastrous for coastal cities, for humanity as a whole it won't matter at all. I doubt if it will even reduce our global population in any significant way.

Global warming is a tool used by the wealthy elite to conduct wealth transfers. Wealth transfers that they can then skim off the top like the parasites they are.
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