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Yeah, but which science should we ignore ... the one that says arctic ice is shrinking or the one that says that it's growing?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm
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Hey guess what...I can play that game too...

http://www.napsnet.com/pdf_archive/34/50144.pdf
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Hey guess what...I can play that game too...

http://www.napsnet.com/pdf_archive/34/50144.pdf

Hmm, is this a reliable source?

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Lupo is an outspoken global warming skeptic, acknowledging that human activity contributes to global warming but putting more faith in the view that it is a natural phenomenon.[11] Lupo's skepticism and receipt of funding ($750 per month) from the Heartland Institute have generated controversy. Lupo says the work Heartland pays him to do does not directly relate to causes of global warming, but rather "interpret[ing] them [scientific studies] in a form that somebody can understand and digest."[12] He has also said that he is not violating any conflict-of-interest rules by receiving this money.[13]

Oh. Perhaps not.

Wait, what's this Heartland Institute?

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The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public policy think tank founded in 1984 and based in Chicago. The Institute conducts work on issues including education reform, government spending, taxation, healthcare, education, tobacco policy, global warming, hydraulic fracturing, information technology, and free-market environmentalism.

The Heartland Institute is the primary American supporter of climate change denial.[2][3][4][5] It rejects the scientific consensus that global warming poses a significant danger to the planet[6] and that human activity is driving it,[7] and says that policies to fight it would be damaging to the economy.[8]

Huh. Interesting. I wonder if they have an agenda?

Nah, I'm sure it's reputable. thumb.gif
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Yeah, but which science should we ignore ... the one that says arctic ice is shrinking or the one that says that it's growing?

Arctic sea ice (north pole) is trending a decrease with a variability resultant of the rest of the planet's climate changes. This doesn't preclude even a two year increase after a one or more year major decrease before following back into a decrease and doesn't change the trend from being a declining one. It would be as asinine as claiming winter isn't coming just because you had a 80F day today even though the last 3 weeks have been trending down and were below that temp.

Honestly, I feel like scientists should have sued Al Gore for taking the most extreme models and claiming them as absolute fact. Last time I even tried to listen to him on the subject the guy was dedicated to omission tricks like denialers.

I feel like CPG Grey's video "This video will make you angry" should be mandatory because it clearly explains how biased groups will behave and how they'll both destroy any moderates or nuanced views even when those views are actually correct.
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Hmm, is this a reliable source?
Oh. Perhaps not.

*laughs*...and the government "grants" the global warming alarmists get to continue the "the world is ending" drumbeat isn't a stipend either??!!.....oh please....If anyone with a desire to eat and have a roof over their head and all they have to do is tow the government line that the sky is falling...ALOT will go for the money...
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*laughs*...and the government "grants" the global warming alarmists get to continue the "the world is ending" drumbeat isn't a stipend either??!!.....oh please....If anyone with a desire to eat and have a roof over their head and all they have to do is tow the government line that the sky is falling...ALOT will go for the money...

Exactly. +Rep
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*laughs*...and the government "grants" the global warming alarmists get to continue the "the world is ending" drumbeat isn't a stipend either??!!.....oh please....If anyone with a desire to eat and have a roof over their head and all they have to do is tow the government line that the sky is falling...ALOT will go for the money...

So you are saying he is wrong and he is just saying that to get the money?
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EDIT: Wait, I can get shill dollars for saying this? Yes, please! thumb.gif

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*laughs*...and the government "grants" the global warming alarmists get to continue the "the world is ending" drumbeat isn't a stipend either??!!.....oh please....If anyone with a desire to eat and have a roof over their head and all they have to do is tow the government line that the sky is falling...ALOT will go for the money...

But here's the difference: for that to be true, you must first prove that the government is handing out grants because they want to promote doom 'n' gloom. What benefit does that offer them? It isn't scientists generally speaking who are alarmists. That's left up to the media to take a story and turn it into a sensationalist piece.

On the other hand, the Heartland Institute definitely does have an agenda. "Public policy think tank." I mean, how can you hear that and think, "Huh, neutral source, very reputable and unbiased." Their particular leanings don't matter; what matters is that they have any leanings at all. Just follow the money trail.

So you're insinuating that the government is behind some conspiracy, but you're failing to address that your source is very definitely funded by a group which very definitely has a particular viewpoint they want to push.
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Hmm, is this a reliable source?
Oh. Perhaps not.

Wait, what's this Heartland Institute?
Huh. Interesting. I wonder if they have an agenda?

Nah, I'm sure it's reputable. thumb.gif

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they'er basically the conservative PETA.
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So you are saying he is wrong and he is just saying that to get the money?

Wow andrews....sounds like you should be reporter....the sort that likes the "GOTCHA!" type of reports....

All I am saying is if someones reliability on what they say is dependent on the source of their funding...Sorry the government has their own agenda as well as any other outside entity...

So if Unicorn wishes to dismiss the reliability on that alone...ALOT of other scientists conclusions can be suspect as well....but too many will turn a blind eye to that and just spout what they believe....

HOWEVER....if the government gave EQUAL funding to scientists to DISPROVE man made global warming....My guess is a REAL debate will occur rather than "the science is settled on this...no need for debate here" crap we are getting now...

I am old enough to remember "the world is become a giant ice ball" panic these same people spouting in the 70s...then abruptly in the mid to late 80s suddenly the world is going to turn into one of the layers in "Dante's Inferno"... Then it turned to "climate change" in the late 90s to cover their bases no matter which way the weather goes
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