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Take this with a grain of salt from a bitter Seagate owner. I've lost x2 - 4TB Seagate external back-up drives in the last 2 years. The 1st I can't blame Seagate. My young spawn child knocked the drive off the desk and instantly killed it. I now take extra time to move cords/cables away from small hands.. But the 2nd 4TB drive had 3TB of data in it. It was my main back up for media, multiple system back-ups, etc. After 1 year almost to the day it started mounting and dismounting itself. The warranty on the drive was 1 year... I was never able to get it to mount long enough to even attempt a recovery. Let me tell ya, it takes a LONG time to rip a large VHS/DVD/CD/cassette tape media archive. Already long story short, I'll probably never buy a Seagate drive again. I'm now designing a 4 drive hot swap case for nothing more than back-up and it will only hold WD drives. But your mileage may vary.

I've used both WD and Seagate drives for the past 10+ years and have seen both die. There are thousands of people with anecdotal stories such as yours on both sides of the fence. Obviously if a person has a bad experience with a specific brand they are usually going to write that brand off and go with an alternative. I don't blame you.

I had a NAS consisting of 8 x WD Reds for a 3 years where I had to replace 2 drives during that time period. I chalked it up to the fact that my array with a traditional RAID setup with the drives on 24/7 and those are the risks. I didn't sweat it because I had proper backups even though I was able to rebuild my array on both occasions.

But I would caution anyone who is looking to buy new drives to ignore anecdotal evidence, look at the hard facts, and then base your decision on your own priorities. Some people are willing to accept a higher chance of failure for example if it means a lot more storage space, especially if they have good backups (which should be the case with anyone who doesn't want to lose data). Afterall, you're just one event away from losing all the drives in your array regardless of the quality/reliability of them.
Edited by PuffinMyLye - 10/20/15 at 11:53am
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I didn't actually link the WD 4TB Red Pro, it's just the normal Red, the Pro is almost $100 more expensive and I don't really see the point if I'm not getting extra storage with it.

I also thought about going Seagate drives but after seeing the reliability tests for this year and my own experience with Seagate drives I decided against it, the storage the 4TB Reds give will be more than enough I think anyway and if its not going to be I can buy the 5TB Reds to be sure (that's another $530ish total for drives).

Got a couple of questions,

1. FreeNAS's RAID levels, which would be the safest choice against drive failures?

2. If I go the Supermicro board (which would be using Kingston RAM) what HBA card should I go? (I can buy from Newegg Australia, Scorptec, Umart & CPL, not 100% sure if the Aus stores have HBA cards tho)

Thanks wheee.gif

Also as for backups, I use external drives, WD Greens to be exact.
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Think I might have to change to the ASRock motherboard or the Supermicro A1SRi-2758F, Neweggs says the A1SAi-2750F is now unavailable for Aus frown.gif.
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Right I'm stuck with picking motherboards still, if I go the Supermicro A1SAi-2750F with the 9240-8i in JBOD mode it works out in total about $25 cheaper than the ASRock C2750D4I, but if I go the Supermirco A1SRi-2758F (C2758 instead of C2750 CPU) with the 9240-8i in JBOD mode it works out about $66 cheaper than the ASRock.

The Supermirco boards would use Kingston 8GB KVR16LSE11/8KF x2 RAM & the ASRock would use Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) CT2KIT102472BD160B.

So I have 3 options,

1. Supermicro A1SAi-2750F with the 9240-8i (C2750 CPU) $3739.61 total.

2. Supermicro A1SRi-2758F with the 9240-8i (C2758 CPU) $3698.61 total.

3. ASRock C2750D4I (C2750 CPU) $3765.18 total.

What do you guys think?

I may also change from 4TB Reds to 5TB Reds, there's a $66 difference between them but it'll give me 5TB extra, might use RAIDZ3 as well for triple parity.
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Right I'm stuck with picking motherboards still, if I go the Supermicro A1SAi-2750F with the 9240-8i in JBOD mode it works out in total about $25 cheaper than the ASRock C2750D4I, but if I go the Supermirco A1SRi-2758F (C2758 instead of C2750 CPU) with the 9240-8i in JBOD mode it works out about $66 cheaper than the ASRock.

The Supermirco boards would use Kingston 8GB KVR16LSE11/8KF x2 RAM & the ASRock would use Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) CT2KIT102472BD160B.

So I have 3 options,

1. Supermicro A1SAi-2750F with the 9240-8i (C2750 CPU) $3739.61 total.

2. Supermicro A1SRi-2758F with the 9240-8i (C2758 CPU) $3698.61 total.

3. ASRock C2750D4I (C2750 CPU) $3765.18 total.

What do you guys think?

I may also change from 4TB Reds to 5TB Reds, there's a $66 difference between them but it'll give me 5TB extra, might use RAIDZ3 as well for triple parity.


There isn't going to be a whole lot of difference between the C2750 and the C2758. The 2750 benchmarks slightly better because of the Turbo Boost but I don't know if it's worth the extra money.

Is there a specific reason why you are requiring double/triple parity? You're going to take a huge write hit on that array.
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There isn't going to be a whole lot of difference between the C2750 and the C2758. The 2750 benchmarks slightly better because of the Turbo Boost but I don't know if it's worth the extra money.

Is there a specific reason why you are requiring double/triple parity? You're going to take a huge write hit on that array.

Cool, because there's a $41 difference between them atm and seeing the turbos only 200MHz I cant really see the point.

No real reason other than I don't want to lose the whole thing if a drive fails, I'm going to have a full backup but still knowing my luck if 1 drive fails anther one will fail soon after.
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Cool, because there's a $41 difference between them atm and seeing the turbos only 200MHz I cant really see the point.

No real reason other than I don't want to lose the whole thing if a drive fails, I'm going to have a full backup but still knowing my luck if 1 drive fails anther one will fail soon after.

How many drives are you going with? 8? What's your backup solution?
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How many drives are you going with? 8? What's your backup solution?

Yeah 8 4TB or 5TB drives, back up is gonna be a bunch of external drives, atm there WD Greens but I may change to Hitachi drives for reliability.
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Yeah 8 4TB or 5TB drives, back up is gonna be a bunch of external drives, atm there WD Greens but I may change to Hitachi drives for reliability.

I would give serious consideration to RAID10 over triple parity. I know you lose one drive worth of storage but the performance will be notably better especially when writing to the array.
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I would give serious consideration to RAID10 over triple parity. I know you lose one drive worth of storage but the performance will be notably better especially when writing to the array.

With RAID10 tho if you lose the wrong drives don't you lose the whole array?

also part of the reason I was going FreeNAS was for bitrot protection, I'll be putting a lot of crap on the NAS once its built.
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