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Seems lower power than DDC's or MCP30/50's so not as much flow but damn good pump for the money since I doubt many people really need a DDC at full speed. And for head pressure you can get two of these for the same cost.

Anyways I disassembled the TDC-A after acquiring a TDC-B top. Impeller design is a bit strange, pump does get hot like DDC's but supposedly rated for 85c. MCP30/50's have some flow channels in the impeller to help cool themselves.

I think the TDC tops could be designed a little better to improve flow and/or head pressure though. The TDC-A had a bit smoother finish on the perimeter of the impeller cavity. Still some rough edges I may dremel a bit, In particular the outlet side of the semi-circle. Seemed a little bit noisier with TDC-B top, I think because the inlet channel doesn't extend down quite as far and perhaps with the TDC-A top the water comes in at an angle aiding in reducing noise somehow? Or maybe just from higher flow/pressure from the TDC-B top.

Overall very minimal noise just some almost whisper quiet water/air noises which may go away after awhile. Very low low vibration, silent if places on foam or other vibration dampeners. Would definitely buy again. (Also, US Solar Pumps is apparently looking into stocking some TDC-B's for sale soon)

Pics below. Wonder what that empty LED spot is for?












Edited by s74r1 - 10/3/15 at 4:37am
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One thing I thought was odd is specs for this pump state pretty high pressure (nearly double)but not as much flow as the mcp50x is that just design limiting the throughout?
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post #13 of 53
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Nice tear down of the pump there s74r1. After work today I'll definitely take some pics of the set up and post them up for you guys. I was thinking about adding in a GPU block into the loop, do you guys think a 240 rad is enough cooling for cpu and gpu or should I add in a 120mm.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mfknjadagr8 View Post

One thing I thought was odd is specs for this pump state pretty high pressure (nearly double)but not as much flow as the mcp50x is that just design limiting the throughout?

The impeller and vortex cavity in the tops seem to be designed for pressure, but who knows how they got those specs and in what testing.
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Nice tear down of the pump there s74r1. After work today I'll definitely take some pics of the set up and post them up for you guys. I was thinking about adding in a GPU block into the loop, do you guys think a 240 rad is enough cooling for cpu and gpu or should I add in a 120mm.

Might be pushing it a bit but should be fine unless your GPU is power modded. I'm running 2x 240's but low fin density and silent fans.
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Here are a few pics, the one with the temp gun was taken at the point where I got the highest reading.

Excessive tubing was used I know, did that so when I have to move anything I won't be restricted.


Dunno why the tubes look so green in the pic, they are still clear to the eye.


Room temp is around 32-33c so a 6c delta isn't to bad.
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Here are a few pics, the one with the temp gun was taken at the point where I got the highest reading.

Excessive tubing was used I know, did that so when I have to move anything I won't be restricted.


Dunno why the tubes look so green in the pic, they are still clear to the eye.


Room temp is around 32-33c so a 6c delta isn't to bad.

I had it mounted on 1" thick anti-vibration foam and the bottom gets quite warm after awhile.
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Mine is just stuck down with some double sided tape but it is a bit thick (for tape) so I think it does cut down on vibrations for me as well.
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Quote:
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Mine is just stuck down with some double sided tape but it is a bit thick (for tape) so I think it does cut down on vibrations for me as well.

bottom gets quite hot if you have it mounted on foam for awhile, try temp probing there next time. Also, I found some more detailed specs, the operating temperature is up to 50c ambient and up to 85c coolant temp. Might need a heatsink like Laing pumps to prolong it's lifespan if mounted on foam.

by the way, is anyone aware of a ceramic washer under the impeller? I can't seem to get rid of this grinding sound, like the impeller/rotor is sitting too low. perhaps I lost a washer, but I see nothing on the design specs about a washer on the ceramic shaft under the graphite rotor sleeve. I know some Swiftech pumps sit the rotor/impeller on a ceramic washer but not sure about these TOPSFLO.
Edited by s74r1 - 10/11/15 at 5:30pm
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post #19 of 53
Warning: If anyone else disassembles these pumps BEWARE of a very tiny graphite gray/black washer it's VERY easy to loose since it blends in so well. US Solar Pumps was kind enough to send me a replacement washer. Also they have some TDC-B's in stock but not sure if they're up for sale yet. Same thing PPCS is selling, so it would be nice to have an alternative reseller for us - especially one with great warranty/service (not sure if PPCS warranties these pumps for any decent length of time like USSolarPumps does).

This is a picture TOPSFLO sent me showing the washer (which sits at the bottom).

Edited by s74r1 - 10/19/15 at 1:18pm
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post #20 of 53
Bought this pump from their eBay listing for $32. You have to leave a note during payment to receive the TDC-B version with the G1/4 inlet/outlet. Hopefully this pump can handle Mayhem Pastel long term
Edited by ivoryg37 - 12/14/15 at 6:06pm
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