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That being said, what is the advantage to a dedicated ZxR when compared to the ZxRi on the Gaming G1? I can't find any solid data on that... I mean quality wise, not the obvious stuff like the dedicated card can be moved to other machines when upgrading...
  • Less "integrated" issues.
  • Choice / swappability
  • Usually higher quality

That's said, I've been using dedicated soundcards since I got into computers in 98. In fact, I'd already had the ZXR prior to purchasing my G1 Sniper 5 with it's integrated super duper soundcard. What do you get with that.... issues. This whole thread here is rife with soundcard complaints.

Anyway that's me; your mileage may vary
post #902 of 1689
Hi,

Have just purchased both the GA-Z170X-Gaming GT and the GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 to be used for running FSX:SE (flight simulation by Dovetail Software, formerly Micro$oft). Both the boards support 2 M.2 sockets, which is really nice.

Now the, I think, bad news. It appears that it is not possible with those boards to set up a RAID 0 boot array using the M.2's with Windows 7. I was happy to use a Samsung 850 for the boot drive on the Gaming 7, but I'd REALLY like to set up the 2 M.2 Raid 0 on the Gaming GT. Has anyone tried to do that?

The kicker is that the manual says you MUST use Windows 8.1 or 10 to do what I desire. Not only do I loathe Windows 10 but FSX:SE REALLY prefers Windows 7. It would be sweet to set up the raid with the two Samsung 950 m.2 nvme drives I bought for this very purpose.

In the strongest possible terms I do not want to go to W 10, free or not (please don't get me started why, I have solid reasons in addition to FSX:SE running with all the addons best with W7). I'm weighing the pros and cons and if I'm forced to Win 10, I'd likely buy a regular 2.5" SSD and admit defeat so as to keep W7. That's how bad I don't want to go to 10.

Does anyone here have any experience or wisdom as to how to move forward? Has anyone tried to do what I've outlined?

I had a deuce of a time getting Windows installed from a USB thumb-drive, but using a combination of RUFUS to create the initial install software and the utility from Gigabyte to add the USB and hot fixes, which actually alter and add in what is necessary to boot with the thumb-drive, it finally worked.

Thanks in advance for any insight!
post #903 of 1689
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Originally Posted by OldGeek View Post

Hi,

Have just purchased both the GA-Z170X-Gaming GT and the GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 to be used for running FSX:SE (flight simulation by Dovetail Software, formerly Micro$oft). Both the boards support 2 M.2 sockets, which is really nice.

Now the, I think, bad news. It appears that it is not possible with those boards to set up a RAID 0 boot array using the M.2's with Windows 7. I was happy to use a Samsung 850 for the boot drive on the Gaming 7, but I'd REALLY like to set up the 2 M.2 Raid 0 on the Gaming GT. Has anyone tried to do that?

The kicker is that the manual says you MUST use Windows 8.1 or 10 to do what I desire. Not only do I loathe Windows 10 but FSX:SE REALLY prefers Windows 7. It would be sweet to set up the raid with the two Samsung 950 m.2 nvme drives I bought for this very purpose.

In the strongest possible terms I do not want to go to W 10, free or not (please don't get me started why, I have solid reasons in addition to FSX:SE running with all the addons best with W7). I'm weighing the pros and cons and if I'm forced to Win 10, I'd likely buy a regular 2.5" SSD and admit defeat so as to keep W7. That's how bad I don't want to go to 10.

Does anyone here have any experience or wisdom as to how to move forward? Has anyone tried to do what I've outlined?

I had a deuce of a time getting Windows installed from a USB thumb-drive, but using a combination of RUFUS to create the initial install software and the utility from Gigabyte to add the USB and hot fixes, which actually alter and add in what is necessary to boot with the thumb-drive, it finally worked.

Thanks in advance for any insight!

Go to Windows 10 and don't look back. You've not provided a single reason not to, other than you don't want to, but it is the best version of Windows yet. thumb.gif Why frustrate yourself with aging hardware/software...

Window 7 64bit should work though. I believe that's the minimum for M.2 NVME. You might need Samsung's driver from their site.
post #904 of 1689
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Go to Windows 10 and don't look back. You've not provided a single reason not to, other than you don't want to, but it is the best version of Windows yet. thumb.gif Why frustrate yourself with aging hardware/software...

Agreed on all points here. Windows 10 is a better performing OS. I've not touched 7 since moving to 8, and now 10. And none of my 3 machines ( X58A, Z87, Z170X) run Windows.

@ OldGeek, what the owners manual of the GT says on pg. 67, is that "Only Windows 10/8.1 64-bit supports UEFI RAID configuration". Thus, presumably if you don't want UEFI, you can just do a standard (non-UEFI) RAID setup. I don't use RAID so I can't argue one way or the other.

BTW can you discern the difference between the GT and the Gaming 7? I went with the GT, because I got it for $199 when I purchased my 6700K ($309) from Microcenter.

Thanks
post #905 of 1689
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Go to Windows 10 and don't look back. You've not provided a single reason not to, other than you don't want to, but it is the best version of Windows yet. thumb.gif Why frustrate yourself with aging hardware/software...

Window 7 64bit should work though. I believe that's the minimum for M.2 NVME. You might need Samsung's driver from their site.

I only use Windows because I have to for gaming. If it weren't for that I would be on Linux full-time (it is a far superior OS). But, I agree with you. If you use Windows, there is no reason not to go to Windows 10. It's funny because EVERY time Microsoft releases a new OS, there are ALWAYS a bunch of hold-outs saying "I will never upgrade." I remember when Windows Vista came out. Everyone said they'd never leave XP. Many didn't. I remember when Windows 7 came out, MANY people were *****in and moanin saying XP was better. Finally they were forced to upgrade. Now that Windows 8.1 and 10 are out, those same people who used to be on XP (and hated Windows 7) are now saying "I will never leave my wonderful Windows 7."

It's humorous.
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post #906 of 1689
Humorous?

Undermoose et al. A couple of sayings come to mind. "What's past is prologue" , and "He who forgets the past is doomed to relive it". Now what could that apply to? Windows ME? Windows Vista? Windows 8.0? I chuckle over your fanboy attitude as you completely ignore the fact that much of what I run has simply not been converted to Windows 10. But that is of no consequence to you, but it is to me.

Having used Windows since version 1.01 it is highly likely I know Microsoft better than you. And I don't really care if you are skilled in Windows 10 and have taken a solemn oath to Satya himself. None of your allegiance means a tinkers damn to me when the ONE application that keeps me tied to Windows is not ready for Windows 10. Don't care to debug an application that I have no control over.

Then there's the matter of privacy. It is just amazing to me how many hoops you must pass through to turn off the "telemetry". I have nothing to hide but whether I do or not, Microsoft has NO business looking at my business. This business model of Windows as a "service" is anything but what a large segment of those with an informed opinion desire The concept of privacy is all too fragile now and it worries me. Heck, China and Russia want to spy on our country, why shouldn't Microsoft spy on me? The crap they continue to pull with tricking you to install Windows 10 is reprehensible. In the 40 years I've been in the IT world I've never seen a reputable company pull such hijinks.

So back to my original question. Has anyone tried what I'm proposing using Windows 7? I'm looking for solutions, not lectures.

And for the record, I am converting to Linux for all my non-flightsim processing.

Peace
post #907 of 1689
Dude we simply gave you a suggestion to your answer. If you don't want to follow it or feel it's beneath you, that's fine, that's your right. With that, we don't need a rant or to be told you know Windows better than us because you actually don't know what our skill set is.

And with that attitude, and your 40 years of IT experience why are you here???

And lastly... opinions are NOT facts.

Bye.
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Humorous?

Undermoose et al. A couple of sayings come to mind. "What's past is prologue" , and "He who forgets the past is doomed to relive it". Now what could that apply to? Windows ME? Windows Vista? Windows 8.0? I chuckle over your fanboy attitude as you completely ignore the fact that much of what I run has simply not been converted to Windows 10. But that is of no consequence to you, but it is to me.

Having used Windows since version 1.01 it is highly likely I know Microsoft better than you. And I don't really care if you are skilled in Windows 10 and have taken a solemn oath to Satya himself. None of your allegiance means a tinkers damn to me when the ONE application that keeps me tied to Windows is not ready for Windows 10. Don't care to debug an application that I have no control over.

Then there's the matter of privacy. It is just amazing to me how many hoops you must pass through to turn off the "telemetry". I have nothing to hide but whether I do or not, Microsoft has NO business looking at my business. This business model of Windows as a "service" is anything but what a large segment of those with an informed opinion desire The concept of privacy is all too fragile now and it worries me. Heck, China and Russia want to spy on our country, why shouldn't Microsoft spy on me? The crap they continue to pull with tricking you to install Windows 10 is reprehensible. In the 40 years I've been in the IT world I've never seen a reputable company pull such hijinks.

So back to my original question. Has anyone tried what I'm proposing using Windows 7? I'm looking for solutions, not lectures.

And for the record, I am converting to Linux for all my non-flightsim processing.

Peace

First off, I didn't delve into a comparison of all OS flavors, so your rant is misdirected, but that said I've got you beat on all accounts. Punch cards are my waking era into DP. I did skip Windows ME but used every other version. I adopted each as soon as they were released. I don't have time for beta, I'm not a developer.

As a suggestion, you can virtualize any OS flavor machine to run any application under Windows 10 you might have issues with, but I get that it's a stretch for some to go there. Hey my friend used to arrange his data by segment on his disk, he was a clipper programmer... I will admit, I don't go that deep into data management, I still remember the freak out when I ran Norton disk doctor and defragmented his clipper data LOL.

What you miss in your rant is the fact that a vendor manufactures the OS, and they become end of life, stop delivering new features (like UEFI raid), and the hold outs scratch their head and curse the maker for not doing more for their beloved OS of the day. Get real, nothing lasts forever, and we simply need to move forward. We're in a better position to do that today than ever. Virtualize it!

One's perspective on privacy is going to change, but for hold outs they can disable the intrusive stuff if they feel they must. Personally I love the interactive nature and feature rich desktop Windows 10 delivers. Cortana is a great tool and if you are isolationist enough to avoid it, go ahead, do that. There are of course other intrusive components, but I'd suggest staying off the Internet as a start. tongue.gif

I've been a Linux wanna be for years, but the market simply doesn't cater to it mass scale yet. It does for many IT tools, so as a corporate solution it's pretty good today.

Oh yes, I own a Windows 10 phone too. Best phone I've ever owned. I recently upgraded from a Nokia 1020 to a Lumia 950. They just announced the Surface Phone today too smile.gif

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Dude we simply gave you a suggestion to your answer. If you don't want to follow it or feel it's beneath you, that's fine, that's your right. With that, we don't need a rant or to be told you know Windows better than us because you actually don't know what our skill set is.

And with that attitude, and your 40 years of IT experience why are you here???

And lastly... opinions are NOT facts.

Bye.

Got that right.
post #909 of 1689
By the way, I'm not sure if this breaks forum rules, so if it does I'll delete.

FOR SALE: Z170 mITX build.

On this thread I have my mITX build posted: http://www.overclock.net/t/1571741/gigabyte-z170-h170-b150-discussion-help-and-owners-club-ultra-durable-and-gaming-editions/570#post_24840862

I had fun building it but rarely use it, so I'm selling. I'll take 10% under cost at present day pricing, so it's a steal. Can also buy it without R9 Fury Nano if you're interested. All components have years of warranty remaining.

No shipping, have to be local drive in the Stamford CT area +/- 45 minute drive etc, or NYC. Meet at a Staples \ Starbucks \ etc and do the exchange. Cash only or Paypal.

PM me if interested.

(I'm keeping the BT Keyboard/touchpad)
Edited by Undermoose - 6/24/16 at 7:58pm
post #910 of 1689
I have an interesting RAID issue with my GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 I'm hoping someone has a fix for it.

I built out a RAID10 using the onboard intel Raid controller. after the first boot it looks fine and intel RST reports everything is good. but every time without fail if i reboot again(with no configuration changes, just a full power down then back up) intel RST says the array is "incompatible" and throws errors. when this happens the array still appears in explorer and i can still access data on it. anyone have a fix? is there something I'm configuring wrong?

Edit:
just came up as compatible after rebooting and going into the BIOS menu, no settings changed. I'm a bit confused by this.

thanks,

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Edited by Feuer unten - 6/29/16 at 6:26pm
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