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post #941 of 1677
Just looked at the Ultra Gaming, it looks nice and it's cheaper than the Gaming 7.
  • It has better better RAM support
  • It only has HDMI 1.4 on the iGPU
  • No Creative Audio and thankfully no operational amplifier
  • One less SATA express and M.2 connector but has a U.2 connector. Also no crappy ASMedia SATA controller.

It looks they took the Gaming 7 and trimmed the fat. Should be a great board for the majority of the market. Let's just hope the BIOS and drivers are all good.
post #942 of 1677
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Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post

As I said before, I never buy motherboards based on their sound solution. I don't even look there when deciding on which board to get as I strictly use dedicated cards. The closest I came to using on-board sound was with my Gigabyte G1 Sniper 5, which was touted as having an excellent built in sound system, but even it has all sorts of complaints here. In the end I just feel dedicated sound cards are still the way to go.

That's me.

Good luck.

True, true. All good points. I'm thinking about it, but I'm trying for a more budget build, so the more features I can get into a motherboard, the better. Maybe I can snag a used sound card for cheap.
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Originally Posted by goombles View Post

Just looked at the Ultra Gaming, it looks nice and it's cheaper than the Gaming 7.
  • It has better better RAM support
  • It only has HDMI 1.4 on the iGPU
  • No Creative Audio and thankfully no operational amplifier
  • One less SATA express and M.2 connector but has a U.2 connector. Also no crappy ASMedia SATA controller.

It looks they took the Gaming 7 and trimmed the fat. Should be a great board for the majority of the market. Let's just hope the BIOS and drivers are all good.

Well, true, but we lost
  • dual LAN (even if one was Killer, which actually posted faster results than the Intel at [H]ard|OCP)
  • all Creative software (SBX Pro Studio has some of the better virtual surround sound and it costs $30 all by itself)
  • onboard buttons for power, reset, and clear CMOS (also the ECO & OC buttons, but I doubt I'd ever use them, haha)
  • debug LED
  • LED I/O shield with programmable colors instead of just red
  • sans bugs, a higher quality audio chipset (though maybe still "not great" to some preferences)
  • lost one USB 3.0 and one USB 2.0 internal header (useful for cases with 4 USB ports or devices that connect internally, like fan controllers)
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post #943 of 1677
EDIT: regarding the Killer LAN, never mind.

Intel LAN
35/38/46 - upload @ 1% CPU usage
64/66/68 - download @ 12% CPU usage

Killer LAN
39/40/48 - upload @ 11% CPU usage
70/71/73 - download @ 16% CPU usage

Ouch. Numbers are (min, avg, max). Those MB/s are inconsequentially faster compared to the massive CPU overhead.

Latency wise, it's 0.2ms faster for 1-3% more CPU....uh, not worth it!
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post #944 of 1677
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Originally Posted by ikjadoon View Post

True, true. All good points. I'm thinking about it, but I'm trying for a more budget build, so the more features I can get into a motherboard, the better. Maybe I can snag a used sound card for cheap.
Well, true, but we lost
  • dual LAN (even if one was Killer, which actually posted faster results than the Intel at [H]ard|OCP)
  • all Creative software (SBX Pro Studio has some of the better virtual surround sound and it costs $30 all by itself)
  • onboard buttons for power, reset, and clear CMOS (also the ECO & OC buttons, but I doubt I'd ever use them, haha)
  • debug LED
  • LED I/O shield with programmable colors instead of just red
  • sans bugs, a higher quality audio chipset (though maybe still "not great" to some preferences)
  • lost one USB 3.0 and one USB 2.0 internal header (useful for cases with 4 USB ports or devices that connect internally, like fan controllers)

Yeah to me the Gaming Ultra looks like a stripped down Gaming 7 with some minor upgrades here and there. Its nice but I'm not sure it's a major upgrade to the Gaming 7.

I was myself was looking at the gaming 7 seeing the Gaming G1 was (is) ridiculously priced. I got lucky though with the Gaming GT as I was able to get it for $199 with the purchase of an Intel i7-6700K for $309 from Microcenter.

BTW if I were going X99, that GA-X99-Designare EX looks sweet!
post #945 of 1677
Hey guys im attempting to start to oc my 6600k on my z170x-ud5 and im making headway but it seems like my mobo keeps picking a different "normal" vcore for my chip every so often when i play with my settings. Its making it difficult for me to find the right offset voltage... Does anybody know why that would not be a consistent number everytime i go into my bios? Thanks

Edit: also sometimes LLC of high will eliminate vdroop completely without vboosting under load, then other times after i change things around the same LLC setting of high will vboost like 30mv or more... Its almost like sometimes it works how it should and others it doesnt...
Edited by infinite0180 - 7/13/16 at 11:37pm
post #946 of 1677
OC - XMP / CPU i7 6700k issues with Gaming GT - PLZ HELP!

Hi all, I am having a HUGE problem with OCing this board. Gigabyte support is crap and they are telling me that my CPU or RAM is bad, even though it's all on their QVL.

I have CMK32GX4M2B3200C16 Corsair 16GB x2 3200MHz DDR4 ... I tried everything in the skylake overclocking tutorial and nothing will work. I maxed out vccsa and io to what is recommended and even tried lowering the values - and always have a system crash when testing ram.


the #1 issue I am having is when I enable XMP or OC the cpu (I am using intel integrated hd graphics 530 and no external GPU) the screen will flicker and I will get jumpy horizontal/vertical lines on the screen, as if the gpu on the cpu is unstable...

I am using their beta bios since it came out (bios came out few days after I bought this board 5/2/16)...

the ram I originally purchased was the same, except it was 2666MHz and on 5/12/16 gigabyte REMOVED it from their QVL (I guess they really don't test what they put on the QVL... they let the customer do it for them)

newegg is letting me RMA this board if I want for a full refund (got it last night) but I have no idea what to do, if I can get it working, or what board I should replace it with.

they will not let me RMA the ram.

PLEASE anyone can help me? if I left out any information, please let me know and I will provide it.... getting desperate for help, because gigabyte support is just talking to a bunch of idiots who don't care about supporting the products they sell.

thank you in advance!


also - everything appears to be stable with ram at 2133 MHz and cpu at normal rate.


RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (16GB x2) DD4-3200 MHz - CMK32GX4M2B3200C16
CPU: Intel 6th Gen Core i7 6700k
SSD: Samsung 950 Pro 512GB M.2 NVMe
HDD (5 mechanical) WD... 2 raid 1, others are separate
Cooler: Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo(?)

CPU temps at max (old prime95) hit about 81c (even when OC... and it doesn't crash, yet)

Case: Coolermaster HAF 912 Advanced
post #947 of 1677
RMA the board first then see what happens with the replacement and post here again.

And I personally don't put any stock in Gigabyte's (or anyone else's) QVL list. I also feel some vendors use them against consumers as a way to terminate support calls. It's much easier to tell someone such & such isn't "compatible with the item in question rather than fully troubleshooting the issue

With that I'm running Corsair's Dominator Platinum RAM (CMD32GX4M4B3333C16) at 3333MHz on the same board you have (Gaming GT), and had no issues enabling XMP. However, I use a dedicated GPU (Sapphire Tri-X R9 Fury). BTW I no longer use XMP, but instead manually input the parameters for the RAM (timings, voltage) since doing it this way reduces any unnecessary voltage increases elsewhere, mainly v-core.

Lastly, I can't say how the integrated GPU of the CPU would handle CPU overclocks, but you might try seeing how the system responds without any overclocks and go from there. It may turn out that integrated GPU doesn't like being overclocked being it's part of the CPU.

Anyway I don't particularly have an answer for your issue at this time, but a MB swap may solve the issue. And yeah, it could be CPU and RAM, but... Anyway see what happens when you get the new board.

Let us know.
post #948 of 1677
Thank you for the reply....

So Newegg is going to let me send back the board for a refund. I could buy it again, but I don't want the issues involved to happen again, if it turns out it's crap. I already know there are sound card issues with this board (weird noises/mic not working).

I also know there ARE XMP issues, and with this first one, Overclocking problems. I did try to input timings in myself (not voltage or the extra stuff) and it failed to work. It looks like G Skill appears to work better.

When I told them they did not duplicate issue, they were quick to take pics.... they are idiots. They told me they used the same hardware and it works fine, but I saw in their pics they were using G SKILL RAM ... LOL How can they duplicate my issue if they don't use the same hardware that I am?! Morons....Can't wait to see their response back to me later on today.....

Anyway... I don't know if I want to keep this $300 board.... Or get a better one... any thoughts??

Much appreciated!!

Thanks!
post #949 of 1677
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newegg is letting me RMA this board if I want for a full refund

That's actually really nice of them considering how long ago you purchased the board. Do US retailers have longer refund periods because I think we only have a month where I am.
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they will not let me RMA the ram.

If the RAM is actually faulty they should let you RMA it but I guess you will only find out when they change/replace the mobo. I think there could be a small chance it might be your CPU but you won't find out until you can test with a new mobo.
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I have no idea what to do, if I can get it working, or what board I should replace it with.

Deciding what motherboard to buy on the Z170 chipset is like trying to navigate a minefield. Judging by a few oc sites the ASUS MAXIMUS VIII HERO seems to be the most popular board by quite a margin. I've personally never used ASUS but I guess it's worth a consideration if that many people are using it.
post #950 of 1677
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Originally Posted by goombles View Post

That's actually really nice of them considering how long ago you purchased the board. Do US retailers have longer refund periods because I think we only have a month where I am.

Actually...they told me they would take it back because gigabyte allots them a specific timeframe where they will refund it back to the retailer. Unfortunately for me, not the ram. I believe the ram is the issue. Gigabyte told me they tried to duplicate issue with same hardware and when I told them they are lying...they sent me pics of it....and they were using g skill lol

If the RAM is actually faulty they should let you RMA it but I guess you will only find out when they change/replace the mobo. I think there could be a small chance it might be your CPU but you won't find out until you can test with a new mobo.

I ran many ram tests...all pass. I think it's the bios on this board that is making the ram incompatible.

Deciding what motherboard to buy on the Z170 chipset is like trying to navigate a minefield. Judging by a few oc sites the ASUS MAXIMUS VIII HERO seems to be the most popular board by quite a margin. I've personally never used ASUS but I guess it's worth a consideration if that many people are using it.

Thank you for the advice! smile.gif
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