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That's what dithering is. It can make a huge difference depending on the type of dithering used.
That's right, PC doesn't dither anything. 96khz isn't divisible by 44.1khz. This creates quantization errors (distortion) that can only be fixed by dithering. This is why the PS3 sounds tons better. It's not distorting like my PC does.
How about just send me a song? I don't use P2P.

I can't set anything to 192khz because my receiver does not support it. That's why the PS3 is at 176.4khz and the PC is at 96khz (because there's no 176.4khz option on my PC).

I use winamp and have no interest in any other players.
I'm split between both of you on that one. USB can sound better because of higher quality DAC's, but that won't matter if you're running it digitally into a receiver. Unless you're running analog out from the DAC into the receiver, or unless the DAC outputs bit depths and sample rates your computer doesn't, it won't sound different.

Don't get me started on speakers. Having a good clean signal/source is only 1/4 of the battle. Having a good signal path (nice cables with superior noise rejection), good clean sounding amplifiers, and good even sounding speakers (with good crossovers) are all equally important to get good sound, not to mention taking into account the acoustics of the room they'll be placed in.

I've installed and heard some very, very, very expensive speakers in my time. Everything from cheap $40 junk to speakers that cost $3,000+ per pair. There IS a difference. Like I said earlier, having a good signal/source is a good starting point, but if your speakers can't reproduce that signal faithfully, it's a waste of a good signal. Distortion is inherent in everything. The reason expensive audio components cost so much is because they don't distort or color the original signal. They put extensive R&D into making sure the frequency response is as even as can possibly be.

The best speakers I've heard to this day cost over $2k a pair. The sound they put out was amazing. I'm talking hearing subtle nuances you've never heard before, in a song you've heard a million times. Speakers can make all the difference, just as much as a good signal can make. Does this justify the cost? Probably not, but there is definitely a difference.

It's doubtful you can hear the difference between dithering and no dithering even on a 16 bit signal. It doesn't matter if it's not evenly divisible. Even doing even division or multiplication with resampling creates rounding errors.

Don't get ME started on speakers. Way too expensive to sound good, and then you have to deal with the room acoustics.

No crap there is a difference between $40 "junk" and multi-$k speakers. I doubt there is much of a difference, if any, between something like $100-200 and multi-$k speakers. Speakers are not some mystical technology. Neither are amps or crossovers. It doesn't cost much money to get good sound, unless you see what you're listening to.

A good signal matters more in the analog domain. In the digital domain, a 0 is a 0 and a 1 is a 1. Anyone who argues with this is a gullible person in the audiophool crowd and has no real understanding of anything electronic, and especially digital electronics. The same people think there can be an audible difference between and WAV/AIFF and a FLAC just because the FLAC took some CPU cycles to decode.

Most USB DACs I've seen offer optical and/or coax as well...
 
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It's doubtful you can hear the difference between dithering and no dithering even on a 16 bit signal. It doesn't matter if it's not evenly divisible. Even doing even division or multiplication with resampling creates rounding errors.

Don't get ME started on speakers. Way too expensive to sound good, and then you have to deal with the room acoustics.

No crap there is a difference between $40 "junk" and multi-$k speakers. I doubt there is much of a difference, if any, between something like $100-200 and multi-$k speakers. Speakers are not some mystical technology. Neither are amps or crossovers. It doesn't cost much money to get good sound, unless you see what you're listening to.

A good signal matters more in the analog domain. In the digital domain, a 0 is a 0 and a 1 is a 1. Anyone who argues with this is a gullible person in the audiophool crowd and has no real understanding of anything electronic, and especially digital electronics. The same people think there can be an audible difference between and WAV/AIFF and a FLAC just because the FLAC took some CPU cycles to decode.

Most USB DACs I've seen offer optical and/or coax as well...

^This person is a moron.
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I think it's funny he can tell what my ears can and can't hear.
    
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^This person is a moron.

Wow. What an excellent response filled with rebuttals to each of my points. Care to actually make some arguments based on fact instead of resorting to emotion-filled and insulting responses?
 
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I think it's funny he can tell what my ears can and can't hear.

Try actually undergoing some blind tests for once. You're not using your ears. You're using your eyes. How many times does this need to be repeated? Until you perform any real tests that take away a bias, your claims are nothing but BS.
 
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So now I can hear with my eyes? That's news to me.
    
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So now I can hear with my eyes? That's news to me.
Like every sense you experience it with your mind, placebo effect it pretty well explored and documented along with the need for blind testing.

What seems more important though is why try and use 24-bit/176KHz in the first place, have you got source material at that depth/frequency?
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So now I can hear with my eyes? That's news to me.

Your eyes introduce a bias so your mind gets in the way of what your ears do hear. People who ignore this most basic fact of human sensory perception often end up spending thousands upon thousands of dollars on audio equipment. Those who undergo blind tests come to realize that audio equipment need not cost even hundreds of dollars.
 
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Try actually undergoing some blind tests for once. You're not using your ears. You're using your eyes. How many times does this need to be repeated? Until you perform any real tests that take away a bias, your claims are nothing but BS.

Ok, cool guy. I'll give you an example. Terminator 2 Bluray from my bluray player to my DAC via TOSLINK does NOT sound as good as the same bluray playing from my computer to my DAC via USB. The timing and dynamics of the audio are better.

Please explain why that is impossible.
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Because a 0 is a 0 and a 1 is a 1. Also you're just BSing here until you prove this with a blind test. You won't, though. You'll just keep making more posts full of insults.
 
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