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Kk - filing a ticket tonight. Thanks for the input guys. Any info or links you guys can give me concerning the inversion artifact issue? I'm assuming that if a panel has it, it'll be pretty obvious after a short bit of gaming? Would like to know after I get the replacement in...

Also, do any of you owners play CS GO? I would really appreciate some input regarding the black equalizer and blur reduction settings so I could try it out after work tonight. I figure if the game runs at a consistent 300 fps (the default cap - not sure if I should drop that to 144-147 or something) then freesync is of no use and blur reduction would be the wiser choice..
Edited by killa_concept - 11/11/15 at 10:11pm
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You would ordinary be correct, and yes, freesync would be of no use.

But in order for blur reduction to be effective in CS:Go you want the lowest input lag possible, so you need to use a strobe phase of 100 which will have 1 frame lower input lag than strobe phase 000. Strobe phase is called AREA in xl2730z
However, callsignvega said that the crosstalk of the blur reduction is already too high and using a high strobe phase (AREA)=100 for lowest input lag makes the crosstalk at the bottom of the screen worse.

You can try it in CS:Go as the HUD covers most of the bottom.

As you can see from some of my recent threads, I've been exploiting "bugs" in the XL2720Z firmware and with all the tweaks possible, the XL2720Z is a MUCH better Cs:go monitor than most other TN panels and arguably better than the XL2730Z (since you can lower the strobe crosstalk). None of the reviewers knew how to remove al of the overdrive artifacts when this monitor had its heyday, as these "bug features" didn't work in the V2 firmware at the time
Edited by Falkentyne - 11/11/15 at 8:53pm
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You would ordinary be correct, and yes, freesync would be of no use.

But in order for blur reduction to be effective in CS:Go you want the lowest input lag possible, so you need to use a strobe phase of 100 which will have 1 frame lower input lag than strobe phase 000. Strobe phase is called AREA in xl2730z
However, callsignvega said that the crosstalk of the blur reduction is already too high and using a high strobe phase (AREA)=100 for lowest input lag makes the crosstalk at the bottom of the screen worse.

You can try it in CS:Go as the HUD covers most of the bottom.

As you can see from some of my recent threads, I've been exploiting "bugs" in the XL2720Z firmware and with all the tweaks possible, the XL2720Z is a MUCH better Cs:go monitor than most other TN panels and arguably better than the XL2730Z (since you can lower the strobe crosstalk). None of the reviewers knew how to remove al of the overdrive artifacts when this monitor had its heyday, as these "bug features" didn't work in the V2 firmware at the time

Ah alright - that helps a ton in regards to the first two questions. I guess freesync isn't that big a concern for most of the games I play, but I could see it being handy for newer titles - especially at the more demanding 1440p resolution and where motion blur isn't the biggest concern...

I thought the xl2730z had functional strobbing / blur reduction at 120 and 144hz though? I guess I can just play around with the settings and see how it looks... AMA High, Blur Reduction On, Area 100, and Intensity ?.


In all honesty, for my intended usage, I probably should have gone with a XL2720Z and waited for something that had 1440p, 144hz, freesync and a strobe/blur reduction feature that was fully functional through a full range.
post #144 of 829
Yeah true. The XL2720Z with all the vertical total tweak bugs (benq admitted VT tweaks to lower strobe crosstalk was a firmware bug), AMA toggles, profile AMA low toggles, etc...

But as I said, I didn't find out about the blur reduction off overdrive switch toggle until yesterday, and it's been sitting there fully available to be exploited *FOR A YEAR NOW* yet no one knew about it...! And now I find out about it after Gsync, freesync and 1440p panel lotteries and backlight bleed and "Xenomorphs" stuck behind the polarizer have become flavor of the month, and the good old XL2720Z now has the best overdrive setting on the planet...and it's a BUG that makes it work...

Actually on blur busters' forums, SOMEONE DID know about it over a year ago, but the rest of us had no idea what he was talking about. he claimed he was able to reduce ghosting to near perfect levels by "Toggling" lightboost mode, but the rest of us had no idea what he was talking about, but he kept ranting how his monitor looked SOO much better after toggling. I remember masterotaku and I were trying to guess what he was doing but all he was saying was he was "switching resolutions"....

Now I see he was using profile switching probably COMBINED with switching resolutions....

Anyway while you're using the XL2730Z, set the strobe phase (this has been renamed to AREA in your OSD) to 100, for 1 frame of lower input lag in CS:Go.
Intensity is simply "strobe duty" or what used to be called strobe duty. Higher intensity=dimmer screen and more blur reduction (if I recall, Benq inverted the values when switching from the blur reduction 1.0 monitors to the 2.0 monitors).

You can TRY To see if you can get AMA low to work in your XL2730Z. Someone got it to work once.
You're supposed to enable blur reduction (freesync has to be off) then change the AMA setting. On the XL2720Z changing ANY Strobe setting (in the service menu) or the Brightness (OSD) setting would revert the AMA instantly back to default, after doing the toggle.

Use this test to see if AMA change is working.
http://www.testufo.com/#test=photo&photo=alien-invasion.png&pps=960&pursuit=0&height=-1

If your browser reports 72 FPS or 60 FPS, use firefox or chrome. Internet explorer won't show 120fps at 120hz in HTML 5 and a BETA in windows 10 worked at 120hz at least briefly, but doesn't seem to work anymore....
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Okay so I just received my XL2730Z and set it up. I noticed quite a bit of "motion blur" (whatever yall call it) when I move windows around on the desktop. I haven't noticed it while playing games. How do I check which firmware I have?


My gaming experience has improved quite a bit with this monitor. I came from a VG248QE and the difference in picture quality is amazing. When I played Battlefield 4 on that monitor I could feel and see all the stuttering even when my FPS were between 80 ~ 120. Now I play at 1440p and get 60 ~ 120 fps and with freesync enabled it is as smooth as butter. Now I do have a complaint. How are the QC on backlight bleed? I tend to have awful luck when it comes with TVs and monitors and backlight bleeding. My first 1080p monitor had excessive bleeding, my cheap used dell had bleeding, my VG248QE had a ton of it but I never RMA'd it, my Samsung 7150 65" had horrible backlight bleeding and clouding (which I returned) and now this monitor. Most of it seems to be in the lower right corner. Do any of yall have a perfect panel with 0 backlight issues also how are the back levels on this monitor? I will take pictures later.

Another issue that is probably CPU related is that while my experience in Battlefield 4 was amazing it was just "okay" in Blade and Soul NA BETA. I believe that may just be a CPU issue as my 2500k is only at 4.2Ghz and is probably choking.
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Soft power off,
Hold button #4 for 5 seconds and then press power, then release.
That unlocks the service menu with the FW version.

Holding button #3 and #4 for 5 seconds unlocks the factory menu instead.
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So I got this monitor a few days ago, but have been having problems with the pixel inversion. It was one of the first things I noticed out of the box, and it hasn't really gotten any less noticeable since. Running this test from blur busters seemed to highlight the problem. http://www.testufo.com/#test=inversion When running the test, I get these distinct green and magenta horizontal lines that heavily distort the square. Here's a photo of the result. http://i.imgur.com/XxqsFgI.jpg Here's the same test on my old monitor for comparison. http://i.imgur.com/gzAVdxb.jpg

Anyways, I don't want to deal with this problem anymore and since there doesn't seem to be any way to fix it, I'll probably just return it. But I did get the monitor for a really good price, so I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile to go for an exchange. Would a replacement potentially not suffer from the same problem or should I just get a different monitor altogether?
Edited by Shoopthawoop - 11/15/15 at 5:48pm
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So I got this monitor a few days ago, but have been having problems with the pixel inversion. It was one of the first things I noticed out of the box, and it hasn't really gotten any less noticeable since. Running this test from blur busters seemed to highlight the problem. http://www.testufo.com/#test=inversion When running the test, I get these distinct green and magenta horizontal lines that heavily distort the square. Here's a photo of the result. http://i.imgur.com/XxqsFgI.jpg Here's the same test on my old monitor for comparison. http://i.imgur.com/gzAVdxb.jpg

Anyways, I don't want to deal with this problem anymore and since there doesn't seem to be any way to fix it, I'll probably just return it. But I did get the monitor for a really good price, so I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile to go for an exchange. Would a replacement potentially not suffer from the same problem or should I just get a different monitor altogether?

I can test this tonight when I am at home. Will let you know if mine has the problem.
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Thanks! Let me know what you find.
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