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I asked Simon (the reviewer) if he could ask Eizo if they can make a firmware update that will allow 60hz single strobing (or strobing in sync with custom refresh rates).
The blur reduction can't identify refresh rates between 61-99hz so it tries to strobe at 100hz timings at 85hz and 75hz, causing extreme out of sync stuttering and 60hz double strobes at 120hz rates.

Looks like the XL2720Z is the last monitor that can single strobe at all refresh rates in 1 hz increments...
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Originally Posted by Crisium View Post

Anyone with buyers remorse after the review of the Eizo Foris FS2735? 27-inch 1440p 144Hz IPS with Freesync and Blur Reduction.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/eizo_foris_fs2735.htm

Freesync 30-90Hz
or
56-144Hz

Blur Reduction at 100Hz, 120Hz, or 144Hz. Also 60Hz but see the recommendation against it on TFT Central.

Personally... I have no remorse. The response times on TN can't be beat and the Eizo looks worse. My only issue with the BenQ is the anti-glare is too much, but I'm sort of getting used to it... sort of.

The Freesync ranges sound exactly like the ASUS MG279Q which I tried side-by-side with the XL2730Z for a week. Also zero remorse whatsoever.

I found the 4ms panel to be unusable for any FPS gaming. I imagine driving games would be just as nauseating. I use a $1000 IPS at work, but just can't do it at home; it's simply too slow and blurry to game for longer than an hour. To all the IPS fanboys: you do not, in fact, need to be a "pro" to see the difference. thumb.gif
Edited by KibbleFat - 2/2/16 at 10:02pm
post #273 of 827
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Originally Posted by KibbleFat View Post

The Freesync ranges sound exactly like the ASUS MG279Q which I tried side-by-side with the XL2730Z for a week. Also zero remorse whatsoever.

I found the 4ms panel to be unusable for any FPS gaming. I imagine driving games would be just as nauseating. I use a $1000 IPS at work, but just can't do it at home; it's simply too slow and blurry to game for longer than an hour. To all the IPS fanboys: you do not, in fact, need to be a "pro" to see the difference. thumb.gif

So long as the monitors pixels can change faster than 6.94ms at 144hz you wont see a difference between an IPS or TN that are both below that threshold. The actual blur you perceive is going to come down to how well the overdrive works and most of the blur you'd see is from just your own eyes moving to see something on the screen.

Unfortunately quoted G2G times are unrealistic with TNs 1ms being false, and the average 4-5ms IPS also being a false. Normally for a fast 144hz TN you're looking at 3-4ms which is still fine and enough for perfect 144hz gaming, and the few 144hz IPS monitors out there are sitting around 5-6ms with the right over drive setting in order to have effective 144hz.

The MG279Q needs to be set to a trace free setting of 80, i think the default is 60 which is too slow for effective 144hz and causes skipped frames which can be pretty apparent for anyone who knows what to look for.
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So long as the monitors pixels can change faster than 6.94ms at 144hz you wont see a difference between an IPS or TN that are both below that threshold.

I would contend that it's the difference between the under-damped, faster transient response of TN vs. the over-damped, slower transient nature of IPS that is easily noticeable. If an IPS is taking 4+ ms to even form the desired image for a given frame, most of what you see will be a blurry mess if you're playing an FPS (which is what I experienced). The overshoot you get with TN varies depending on what colors/shades you're transitioning to/from, but overall I found it to feel much faster.

Don't get me wrong. I really wanted to love the MG279Q. The IPS, despite some minor flaws in backlight uniformity and glow, was beautiful. I just couldn't stand gaming with it.

I predict someone here will tell me that I'm wrong tongue.gif
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The Freesync ranges sound exactly like the ASUS MG279Q which I tried side-by-side with the XL2730Z for a week. Also zero remorse whatsoever.

I found the 4ms panel to be unusable for any FPS gaming. I imagine driving games would be just as nauseating. I use a $1000 IPS at work, but just can't do it at home; it's simply too slow and blurry to game for longer than an hour. To all the IPS fanboys: you do not, in fact, need to be a "pro" to see the difference. thumb.gif

Well the Eizo has the 30-90Hz Freesync Range, or the 56-144Hz range. You use the former for demanding games (you can just use Frame Rate Target Control at 90fps for rare moments you get high framerates). For lighter game loads where you get 56fps minimum then you use the other mode. If Freesync on these types of panels is this limiting then it's good to have that choice, since Asus just has 30-90.

But yeah, TN Response Times spoil me and for that price forget it.
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Well the Eizo has the 30-90Hz Freesync Range, or the 56-144Hz range. You use the former for demanding games (you can just use Frame Rate Target Control at 90fps for rare moments you get high framerates). For lighter game loads where you get 56fps minimum then you use the other mode. If Freesync on these types of panels is this limiting then it's good to have that choice, since Asus just has 30-90.

Out of the box the MG279Q has a freesync range of 35-90Hz
With a community-modified driver however, you get 57-144Hz

So yeah... not as easy to switch between the two but still possible thumb.gif And MG279Q's are (relatively) dirt-cheap right now
post #277 of 827
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Originally Posted by Crisium View Post

Anyone with buyers remorse after the review of the Eizo Foris FS2735? 27-inch 1440p 144Hz IPS with Freesync and Blur Reduction.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/eizo_foris_fs2735.htm

Freesync 30-90Hz
or
56-144Hz

Blur Reduction at 100Hz, 120Hz, or 144Hz. Also 60Hz but see the recommendation against it on TFT Central.

Personally... I have no remorse. The response times on TN can't be beat and the Eizo looks worse. My only issue with the BenQ is the anti-glare is too much, but I'm sort of getting used to it... sort of.

To quote a famous Counter-Strike Global Offensive player, playing on an Eizo monitor is like dragging your balls through glass. No thanks. Zero buyers remorse here.
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To quote a famous Counter-Strike Global Offensive player, playing on an Eizo monitor is like dragging your balls through glass. No thanks. Zero buyers remorse here.

Which Eizo monitor?
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Which Eizo monitor?

I would have to look into it to be accurate. He was making reference to being forced to use Eizo monitors during one of the last CSGO majors. It may have been the Cluj-Napoca tournament.
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I can't find the specific model number of monitor they have been using, just sounds like it definitely was not this 144Hz IPS monitor you guys are asking about.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/3p0o02/the_eizo_monitor_problem_at_dreamhack_cluj/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/3qkble/apparently_the_monitors_at_clujnapoca_arent_that/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/3ph8k6/device_prepare_your_eizo_monitors/
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