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Lachesis 3G.

Technically a retest. Only this time I caught some motivation and tested all seven of the firmwares available to me.

So this is either testing firmware variance or my own computers usb polling variance. I don't know, I just push a button.

Events=300

Firmware 1.00:

Average = 3.05074ms
Deviation = 0.827466ms
Median = 3.0106ms
25% = 4.00641ms
75% = 2.01274ms
Max. = 5.01161ms
Min. = 0.997864ms

lachesis3g100.txt 3k .txt file

Firmware 1.56:

Average = 3.09258ms
Deviation = 0.85651ms
Median = 2.99917ms
25% = 3.9982ms
75% = 2.01127ms
Max. = 5.0119ms
Min. = 0.997571ms

lachesis3g156.txt 3k .txt file

Firmware 1.58:

Average = 3.10805ms
Deviation = 0.841298ms
Median = 3.0021ms
25% = 3.99974ms
75% = 2.99682ms
Max. = 5.01513ms
Min. = 0.993466ms

lachesis3g158.txt 3k .txt file

Firmware 1.64:

Average = 3.12561ms
Deviation = 0.808234ms
Median = 2.99887ms
25% = 3.99762ms
75% = 2.99535ms
Max. = 5.01425ms
Min. = 0.999037ms

lachesis3g164.txt 3k .txt file


Firmware 1.75:

Average = 3.14235ms
Deviation = 0.764308ms
Median = 3.01207ms
25% = 3.99945ms
75% = 2.99946ms
Max. = 5.01307ms
Min. = 1.01077ms

lachesis3g175.txt 3k .txt file


Firmware 1.91:

Average = 3.03673ms
Deviation = 0.861059ms
Median = 2.99697ms
25% = 3.99556ms
75% = 1.99866ms
Max. = 5.00838ms
Min. = 0.982323ms

lachesis3g191.txt 3k .txt file

Firmware 1.94:

Average = 13.1362ms
Deviation = 0.822713ms
Median = 13.0077ms
25% = 13.9974ms
75% = 12.995ms
Max. = 15.0128ms
Min. = 11.0026ms


lachesis3g194.txt 4k .txt file

Soooo pretty much the same thing unless it's 1.94.
post #112 of 387
I have a question about the Alligator Clips.
Could you tell me the dimensions of the clips? How is usability? Or do you prefer to solder?
post #113 of 387
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Originally Posted by CeeSA View Post

I have a question about the Alligator Clips.
Could you tell me the dimensions of the clips? How is usability? Or do you prefer to solder?

It's nothing really special just test leads with alligator clips. As for usability, there are rare times where there is nothing for it to actually grip to. Which is when you get creative or just whip out the solder.
post #114 of 387
After seeing so many threads where the ikari optical is systematically pointed as one of the - if not the - fastest mice out there, I decided to order one from aliexpress.
My question now is, how reliable are these? Should I worry that they are not authentic? SS seems to have discontinued this long ago, so I'm not really sure what to think.

Thanks!
post #115 of 387
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The only thing you will probably be replacing will be the switches.

The mouse itself "ignores" the polling rate and just sends an input whenever it wants. Couple that with absolutely ridiculously low button release times.

Doing these things together is praiseworthy, but it's throwing caution to the wind basically.

That's also even before environmental factors!

If you do feel like doing a Frankenmouse project with it, or just want to trim the pcb to cut down on weight it can look like this:
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Oh and I think there is a design flaw in the actual button shell design. I can't quite explain it. The buttons will feel gummy. I think it's the button plungers rubbing against the holders. It was really bad on the Ikari Laser I received but not on the Optical.
post #116 of 387
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Originally Posted by uaokkkkkkkk View Post

The only thing you will probably be replacing will be the switches.

The mouse itself "ignores" the polling rate and just sends an input whenever it wants. Couple that with absolutely ridiculously low button release times.

uh how is this possible?
for usb it's always host that initiates communication
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uh how is this possible?
for usb it's always host that initiates communication

You tell me man. I don't know how else to personally explain why the Ikari is so fast, or why the M63 Raptor is faster. I put ignore in quotation marks because even I don't think that's anywhere near a good way of explaining it.

It's one of those situations where I will just hope someone will come along and correct me if I am incorrrect.
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well the fastest possible way, given 1000hz polling, is to read the state of the switch during the 100us or so right before the usb poll/transaction.
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Been stuck waiting for something to catch my eye.

So, I'll get another retest out of the way....

OG Diamondback Revision 2.

What is the 2nd revision? It's the original Diamondback, with the A3070 replaced with the S3088. Instead of an IR LED like the Plasma or Krait, it uses a red LED for illumination. It was produced before the Plasma was released.

Same Cypress MCU and components overall as the A3070 version. I'll put it head to head with the Plasma at a later date.

Test setup:


Events:300

Mean = 4.48848ms
Std.Dev. = 0.696093ms
Median = 4.86998ms
25% = 3.87211ms
75% = 4.87232ms
Min. = 2.87014ms
Max. = 5.87634ms


diamondbackrevision2redled.txt 3k .txt file

Bar was set for this in 2004 boys. A decade later and crap is still released with higher firmware added button delay.
post #120 of 387
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Lowest Dexin Button Response Tool Settings:
Theron: 12ms
Black Element: 1ms

Cool thing about the Dexin Button Response Tool is that I'm pretty sure it can reliably tell you the button delay on any of the TT Esports mice.

If you have a TT Esports Mouse all you have to do to find out the button delay is to download this.

I think. Knowing these clowns, some are incompatible possibly.

http://ttesports.com/files/Product_download/tt%20esports%20button%20response%20tool%200113.rar

No need for tests really.

Now if it was somehow possible to trick it to read button response values of all Dexin ODM mice, it would be absurdly useful. All you would need is someone with a Dexin sourced mouse, to launch the program and voila it would read the value. Impossible pipe dream though.

I cut ten grams off the mouse so it's sitting at 96g now. Meh. I had to desolder and remove the dpi buttons,side buttons, cut out some useless plastic, remove other shell buttons etc etc.

However, in doing so I created a really aesthetically pleasing effect.





Potato quality phone pics can't really capture how it looks in person. Especially with the tasteful looking light sky blue that comes off as a white.

So that's done. On to the next one...
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