Originally Posted by Wishmaker
AMD did beat Intel in the past and the budget difference existed back then as well. The real FX days made Intel what it is today in terms of architecture development. E6600 was the chip that put AMD onto the path it is now today. The same path many accept by using Bullwinkle excuses. If Zen comes out next year and butchers every INTEL chip like Conroe did, amd stock will jump, Intel stock will plummet and all of a sudden cash will flow in AMD's pockets. Likewise with their gpu cards. Take a card that beats NVIDIA at all the price points, fix your drivers, and guess what? Money will flow even more. Your whole R&D argument will not fly at this point and all will sing ...'see we told you so, the underdog did it, and they are so much better because they did it with less money'
There have been plenty of cards from AMD that beat Nvidia let alone at a lesser price. The money still never flows their way like it does for Nvidia. The driver issues so often talked about are the real issue, and I mean it in a sense where people still seem to think that there are truly these major issues that make AMD cards crap and unusable. The public stigma and poor mindset is the issue, not the drivers. And yes, both camps to this day will still have some driver issues, but it is par for the course.
On the cpu front, the reality is much different than it was over a decade ago, when those FX's were king. We are hitting a point where cpu development is harder than ever, and costlier than ever. Outside factors such as lack of competition are always blamed for the lackluster improvements we get, but many are not taking into account the challenges of going to smaller and smaller process nodes. Intel has struggled at this and have their own fabs as well. Imagine how costly this is for AMD with their current budget and no fab?
Unfortunately if you will remember, the Pentium 4 while being inferior on all fronts at the time still greatly outsold the AMD chips. Again, the general mindset. AMD to this day is still an unknown and a risk to general joe public. I'd like for that not to be true but it is and will remain that way I fear until AMD is gone. Obviously shady business tactics from Intel were at play then but that is another topic for another time and quite frankly an overly beaten dead horse.Edited by SoloCamo - 9/14/15 at 6:49am