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I am only going to show the truth, and in the process of doing so, I can teach someone a little bit about fluid dynamics, than all the better. it was well worth my time.
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Fair enough. Keep digging that hole then.

There is an amazing thing you see in these forums. People who go on and on about physics and fluid dynamics are almost always the ones talking nonsense. It's like as if it's a psychological thing where they think just the words themselves will convince people and make them correct. Or maybe it's a need to feel intelligent, or an inferiority complex.
Edited by Jakusonfire - 1/25/16 at 12:48am
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yes, but he is not using a impeller type of mechanical flow meter, the style he is using is the weighted style, and they react a little more differently than the rotary style of flow meter, when it comes to what kind of build they require to be piped to them.
that is why one can get this style of flow meter made for all of the different sizes in tubing, so that one can get the correct mechanical flow meter, for the type of build that it will be functioning within.
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Yes I think we all agree to this but lets not forget that the chamber and the inlet/outlet are a known volume/size and does not change.

Hence the flow rate can easily be calculated as the manufacturer knows the internal chamber and port sizes thereby resulting in 'X' amount of revolutions of the impeller for 'Y' amount of fluid that has passed.

Basically since the chamber never alters in size the flow rate is fairly proportional to the impeller's rotation rate over its intended measurement range.
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So it seems pretty clear that nothing is going to be forthcoming here. Originally all this proof was meant to already exist, pictures and all, and would be posted if he got angry enough. Its just been an endless series of PM's that keep threatening to post the info since then so I'm convinced it doesn't actually exist.

The PM's make for some truly strange reading but I don't think it would be fair to share them.

I am worried now that we are dealing with someone who isn't capable of properly defending themselves and may have valid reasons for it.

So yeah, unless any of the promised materials is produced I'm out.
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So it seems pretty clear that nothing is going to be forthcoming here. Originally all this proof was meant to already exist, pictures and all, and would be posted if he got angry enough. Its just been an endless series of PM's that keep threatening to post the info since then so I'm convinced it doesn't actually exist.

The PM's make for some truly strange reading but I don't think it would be fair to share them.

I am worried now that we are dealing with someone who isn't capable of properly defending themselves and may have valid reasons for it.

So yeah, unless any of the promised materials is produced I'm out.

patience man, give me some time to get all this ready, in a manner that it can be presented, I still have to rebuild all of it, and leave it running so that others might be able to see what happens, and ask questions.

I do have a life, and I do have other builds, and test builds that I run all the time, so yea, its is in use in another build at the moment, and I will have to tear that build apart to do all of this.

so yes jak you have upset me enough to do this.
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patience man, give me some time to get all this ready, in a manner that it can be presented, I still have to rebuild all of it, and leave it running so that others might be able to see what happens, and ask questions.

I do have a life, and I do have other builds, and test builds that I run all the time, so yea, its is in use in another build at the moment, and I will have to tear that build apart to do all of this.

so yes jak you have upset me enough to do this.

OK, sorry it's just that the story seems to keep changing but that's cool mate. You win.
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yes, but he is not using a impeller type of mechanical flow meter, the style he is using is the weighted style, and they react a little more differently than the rotary style of flow meter, when it comes to what kind of build they require to be piped to them.
that is why one can get this style of flow meter made for all of the different sizes in tubing, so that one can get the correct mechanical flow meter, for the type of build that it will be functioning within.

These are called a rotameter.

They are actually not that fussy on what tubing size is run up to them.

How they work is that the conical taper inside the meter is of a known entity. the float itself is designed for a fluid with a known specific gravity (usually they are calibrated at SG=1 which is the same for distilled water).

The float will move upwards a certain amount for a given flow rate irrespective of pressure and whatever is connected to it. All the fluid volume must traverse through the flow meter similar to the rotary mech type [ie. all the fluid must pass through the all important measuring section]. As we know the internal conical taper dimensions we can then scale it accordingly.

It will not matter whether you have a 1" or 1/4" inlet as the flow is measured internally by the device [conical tapered section is obviously the measuring bit] everything past the conical section is sort of superfluous.

Rotameters also have excellent linearity. One advantage of a rotameter is that their restriction is extremely low and the best part is that as the fluid flow rate increases their restriction stays fairly constant (unlike most other flow meters) as the gap between the float and the conical taper walls increases at the same time.

Here is one of mine which I use - has an inbuilt valve which can be handy simulating restrictions or simply to restrict flow etc.....



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It will not matter whether you have a 1" or 1/4" inlet as the flow is measured internally by the device [conical tapered section is obviously the measuring bit] everything past the conical section is sort of superfluous.
this is your opinion, and I will prove it is not correct.
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Don't worry Toolmaker is all over it.

Apparently king instruments flow meters with 1/4 npt fittings on them actually need 1 inch tubing or it doubles the actual flow rate. So Martin, Fast Fate etc have been doing it all wrong all these years and he is going to prove it and set everybody straight.

There is even a manual that says exactly that apparently but for some reason it's secret and can't be posted.

This is the one I use but it must be wrong. He has tested it and proved it with pictures already.

https://www.instrumart.com/assets/King-7520-7530-installation.pdf

Hold onto your hats.

Just so much yesness.

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@costas
It will not matter whether you have a 1" or 1/4" inlet as the flow is measured internally by the device [conical tapered section is obviously the measuring bit] everything past the conical section is sort of superfluous.
this is your opinion, and I will prove it is not correct.

Well OK - But do make sure that you test it rigorously and lay out your methodology concisely so that others can replicate and scrutinise [in a good way] your findings - just like any good scientific measurement.

It will be interesting to see what you find.

If I follow your findings, I have one concern though in that my Kingmeter which sports a control valve in effect becomes useless, as when I turn the valve it effectively constricts its flow by reducing the inlet diameter. No different to having a smaller/larger diameter hose or fitting connected - thereby its accuracy should theoretically go awry when the valve is never fully opened?
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