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I don't think i can agree with the idea of doing much with Venus.. honestly, were not keeping water on that planet

It's just on the wrong side (still on the outside) of the "habitable" zone
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I don't think i can agree with the idea of doing much with Venus.. honestly, were not keeping water on that planet

It's just on the wrong side (still on the outside) of the "habitable" zone


I just want to think that there's a way we can "make" a habitable world, and not just have to stumble through our own galaxy until we find another one by chance. frown.gif

I prefer to think of humanity as being masters of their own fate, and that with powerful enough technology, anything is possible including moving Venus into a more habitable position and finding a way to increase Mars mass to a liveable level. Maybe not for another million years... but one day. I also tend to be pessimistic in that I know most people are too short sighted to get on board with that kind of project.
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So how long until we see "alien bases" show up in these photos?

Dude you're standing on it.
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I just want to think that there's a way we can "make" a habitable world, and not just have to stumble through our own galaxy until we find another one by chance. frown.gif

Not even close. So far away it's not even science fiction, it's just pure fantasy.

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I prefer to think of humanity as being masters of their own fate, and that with powerful enough technology, anything is possible including moving Venus into a more habitable position and finding a way to increase Mars mass to a liveable level. Maybe not for another million years... but one day. I also tend to be pessimistic in that I know most people are too short sighted to get on board with that kind of project.

I think of humanity as vain and self righteous. I also think humanity as being a half step up the evolutionary ladder from monkeys. We're at the very beginning stages evolving into intellectual species. We don't even know what we don't know and we're too stupid, for the most part, to accept and embrace this much. Thousands of monkeys punching at typewriters. Still gaping holes in the standard model. All sorts of wacky theories of existence. Life? Still a mystery we're trying to get a grasp on. The Moon isn't even a regular destination for us let alone low earth orbit.

Born 10,000 years too soon? lol

It would be interesting to know how long our species survives. In cosmic terms, we're microbes and any number of possible events could wipe us from existence. If you think of life in those terms, all the BS we hear and see and talk about is so freaking pointless. Society needs to get past the commercialization and media driven culture before we evolve further.
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Very nice!!
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Nobody has mentioned the new full color render...

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Very nice coloration, too bad if you were to go down there it would look about the same as walking around any Earth desert.
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Very nice coloration, too bad if you were to go down there it would look about the same as walking around any Earth desert.

With the differences being that the sun would be a pin and sun protection the last thing on your mind.
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Orbital mechanics time!

Pluto has an average orbital velocity of 4.67 km/s. Venus has an average orbital velocity of 35.02 km/s. These numbers are determined by how far away each of them are from the Sun. Anything in Venus's orbit has to have the same orbital velocity as Venus, so in order to move Pluto to Venus's orbit you would have to change its orbital velocity from 4.67 km/s to 35.02 km/s, an increase of 30.35 km/s.

Pluto isn't very big, as planets go, but it's still pretty massive: 1.305 x 10^22 kg. Which means that in order to change its velocity from 4.67 km/s to 35.02 km/s, using KE = 1/2 m*v^2, you would need to apply 7.86 x 10^30 joules of energy. How much energy is that? About five hours and forty minutes worth of the complete energy production of the Sun, 531 billion years worth of US electrical production, or the annihilation of 87.5 trillion kilograms of antimatter.

Not going to happen.

The word "astronomical" gets thrown around in front of a lot of numbers, but it's important to step back once in a while and realize just how much bigger actual astronomical numbers are than anything even remotely close to terrestrial that we have to deal with.


On that last bit: Venus is too far away for its mass to have a substantial effect on Earth's orbit. Adding Pluto's mass to Venus won't change that.

Speaking of which though, it would be pretty neat if we somehow did have the technology to do something like move an entire planet at will. Basically once we become a Type II civilization on the Kardashev scale we will be able to do such things...
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I thought it mostly about how people kept finding more and more things in the Kuiper Belt that were about as large or larger than Pluto while also having a similar composition. Something had to be done. Either 1. Name these Pluto like objects as planets themselves and our solar system would have at least 12 planets plus whatever else they find in the Kuiper Belt, 2. 'Demote' Pluto to just a Kuiper Belt object, or 3. find a different classification for Pluto and these Pluto like objects.
The only problem is that this never happened. After Pluto and Eris, the third-largest TNO we've found is Makemake, which is only 60 percent of the size of Eris. So, in 23 years of searching, we've found exactly one TNO which is "about as large or larger than Pluto."

Could be that like Ceres is the big boy on the block in the asteroid belt, Pluto and Eris are the same in the Kuiper Belt and the scattered disc, respectively.
     
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