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post #31 of 63
iinversion - why would you tell me to stop letting people know about a relatively new option that is hands down the best available for those needing/wanting an AM3+ mATX? That doesn't even make sense. It's not an opinion either, it's a fact - feature set + performance is unmatched. Until you have a better option, how about you stop telling me what to do...
post #32 of 63
It is not a fact. It doesn't matter if the board is newer or not.

The fact is the Gigabyte board has better quality VRM's and is better suited to run the FX chips on the mATX factor regardless of any other features. Better quality VRM's are going to equate to higher/more stable overclocks and a higher max output of power to the CPU in question before throttling will occur.

You are either an ASRock rep trying to market their boards or you are simply trying to defend your purchase, which is fine. It doesn't really matter either way, but it seems like you have been informed of this over and over again and simply ignore this fact even when presented with proof.

You have to understand that it does not matter what you were able to achieve with your board because you could do the same thing on the Gigabyte board and have better results due to better VRM's.
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oh iinversion - You say I've been "presented with proof" that ASRock's 970M is inferior, but all that has been proven is that a previously released full ATX ASRock mobo is no good. Meanwhile, I've VALIDATED 5.188GHz with an octacore on the 970M. Moreover, I've shown you temps @ 4.5GHz on it as well. Did you see any VRM throttling? Yeah, no(and that was with everything kept on in the bios, lol). I'll restate this - don't tell me what to do or what to say, in fact, how about you keep your opinion to yourself until you can post actual "proof."
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oh iinversion - You say I've been "presented with proof" that ASRock's 970M is inferior, but all that has been proven is that a previously released full ATX ASRock mobo is no good. Meanwhile, I've VALIDATED 5.188GHz with an octacore on the 970M. Moreover, I've shown you temps @ 4.5GHz on it as well. Did you see any VRM throttling? Yeah, no(and that was with everything kept on in the bios, lol). I'll restate this - don't tell me what to do or what to say, in fact, how about you keep your opinion to yourself until you can post actual "proof."
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cj61, in the review posted by your buddy undervolter the author agrees with me - the ASRock 970m is far and away the best AM3+ mATX option available. The OP asked about mATX boards and didn't seem aware of this one. It's the best in its class, I won't stop anything. No idea why this bothers you...


ASRock makes bargain boards. Plain and simple. The ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2 and the ASRock Extreme9 are basically the same price and both cater to overclockers. But it seems like everyone owns a Sabertooth and no one buys the Extreme9. Why? It is because the Sabertooth is in a whole other league as far as quality.
post #35 of 63
chrisjames, ASRock makes some decent boards for both intel and AMD. Just like every other company they've had flops and winners - the 970M is a winner. I truly have no idea why this isn't a good thing for some people here. AM3+ mATX has been stagnant for a long, long time - this board changes that in a very positive way. Objective analysis (such as the benching I've shared, as opposed to the pure and erroneous speculation of others) shows what this motherboard is capable of.
post #36 of 63
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chrisjames, ASRock makes some decent boards for both intel and AMD. Just like every other company they've had flops and winners - the 970M is a winner. I truly have no idea why this isn't a good thing for some people here. AM3+ mATX has been stagnant for a long, long time - this board changes that in a very positive way. Objective analysis (such as the benching I've shared, as opposed to the pure and erroneous speculation of others) shows what this motherboard is capable of.

Oh Farmergann, you and i are going to have so much fun!

Let's make a summary:

Here, Farmergann, on an aftermarket cooler (which here costs 47 euros), of 430g and 6 heatpipes if memory serves me, shows us:

At ONLY 1.28v 79C after just 14 minutes of OCCT.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1566608/970m-pro3-motherboard-still-running-strong-with-8370e

Now, he comes back, this time, with water cooler, fan on VRM, and at 1.28v is at 60C after 11 minutes of OCCT. WHAT AN ACCOLADE! With custom water loop, you may even hit 58C!

And he is trying to sell this to someone who has 8320, which comes at 1.325-1.375v STOCK Voltage.

A motherboard, with the typical Asrock thin PCB, closely clustered chokes (for increased heat concentration) and unbranded mosfets. (reliability is my middle name).


He is the only person in the thread that thinks this is the best mATX, but there are also some "other people", who, coincidentally, think the opposite.

lachen.giflachen.gif


One has to wonder! What will happen when the poor OP, will try something like 1.42v (nothing extraterresrtial for an 8320, it's just the stock turbo value).

But, ladies and gentlemen, the overclocking pedigree of this fantastic motherboard, is also easy to see, from the faith of the manufacturer himself! As everyone knows, ALL good motherboards, have in their specs, the manufacturer's warning " For cooling the CPU and its surrounding components, please install a CPU cooler with a top-down blowing design." This alone, shows the true beast that lies beneath. biggrin.gif





Keep going Farmergann, you only make it easier for me, for the next time, where i will link your posts. biggrin.gif


For the money one has to spend to cool this thing and FX, he's better off with an APU and relevant board or with Intel. It will cost the same and have less headaches.
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post #37 of 63
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chrisjames, ASRock makes some decent boards for both intel and AMD. Just like every other company they've had flops and winners - the 970M is a winner. I truly have no idea why this isn't a good thing for some people here. AM3+ mATX has been stagnant for a long, long time - this board changes that in a very positive way. Objective analysis (such as the benching I've shared, as opposed to the pure and erroneous speculation of others) shows what this motherboard is capable of.

Please stop, The board is a giant polished turd and everyone here knows it.
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Oh Farmergann, you and i are going to have so much fun!

Let's make a summary:

Here, Farmergann, on an aftermarket cooler (which here costs 47 euros), of 430g and 6 heatpipes if memory serves me, shows us:

At ONLY 1.28v 79C after just 14 minutes of OCCT.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1566608/970m-pro3-motherboard-still-running-strong-with-8370e

Now, he comes back, this time, with water cooler, fan on VRM, and at 1.28v is at 60C after 11 minutes of OCCT. WHAT AN ACCOLADE! With custom water loop, you may even hit 58C!

And he is trying to sell this to someone who has 8320, which comes at 1.325-1.375v STOCK Voltage.

A motherboard, with the typical Asrock thin PCB, closely clustered chokes (for increased heat concentration) and unbranded mosfets. (reliability is my middle name).


He is the only person in the thread that thinks this is the best mATX, but there are also some "other people", who, coincidentally, think the opposite.

lachen.giflachen.gif


One has to wonder! What will happen when the poor OP, will try something like 1.42v (nothing extraterresrtial for an 8320, it's just the stock turbo value).

But, ladies and gentlemen, the overclocking pedigree of this fantastic motherboard, is also easy to see, from the faith of the manufacturer himself! As everyone knows, ALL good motherboards, have in their specs, the manufacturer's warning " For cooling the CPU and its surrounding components, please install a CPU cooler with a top-down blowing design." This alone, shows the true beast that lies beneath. biggrin.gif





Keep going Farmergann, you only make it easier for me, for the next time, where i will link your posts. biggrin.gif


For the money one has to spend to cool this thing and FX, he's better off with an APU and relevant board or with Intel. It will cost the same and have less headaches.

*hands shotgun with chainsaw bayonet* You know what to do..
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*hands shotgun with chainsaw bayonet* You know what to do..

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post #39 of 63
raylene - i realize your late to the party bud, but i was actually the one to bring up the top down cooler. If you took the time to even look at the motherboard, you'd see why it is important. An alternative that i've found to have even better results is a little $5 Asus VRM cooler. Please, rather than going along with the merry band of fools(underv/cj) i would ask that you actually contribute something original - you know, like an AM3+ mATX motherboard that is better than this one. Shoot, with three of you super intelligent fellas on the hunt, surely it won't be long until you find something better... right? right??
post #40 of 63
I'll toss my hat in here, Gigabyte > ASRock VRMs. Look at the mosfets used. It's a pattern, ASRock in my research has skimped on quality components whereas Gigabyte skimps on the features first.

For overclockers, Gigabyte boards appeal to my recommendation senses when I'm looking at higher overclocks.

farmergann, you may feel like everyone is ganging up on you but... ASRock mosfets across the board are inferior. There's a reason why in my mind they're the most likely board second to MSI to have poor mosfets. I had a 955 and I researched boards after a m4a7td to a 970a-ud3 (8 true phase, sinked)
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