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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Won't be the last major layoff.

People need to understand that in most of our lifetimes, for sure with some of you younger guys and gals, we will see humans replaced in work almost completely. At least as it pertains to low skill, physical, jobs.

A major, major, major, issue we are going to have to deal with as a society is the number of people alive, versus how many are needed to work. We will, if not already do, have more people alive than we have jobs. That is only going to grow and greatly accelerate as new technologies come out.

Actually low skill jobs are potentially more likely to survive longer as they're essentially the jobs a general purpose (aka cheap volume sales based) robot or program would take over. If you want to give context think of the change in the computer world as to who became the end user. The first thing that came was the large high calculation machines that were semi-government only, then came high cost/large corporation business machines, then came mid size companies, and then finally small and personal (aka general). We already started the trend from the highly custom specific function automation to now a stage somewhere in between large corporation, midsize, and general. The first thing to go will always be the highest cost unless it's C/B ratio is really low.

TLDR, the cost cutting incentive is to get rid of the most expensive workers (basically nonexecs or lower managers) first with automation and it's also generally the area in which automation/programs have a great chance of first disrupting things. Automating a retail person may be easy in theory but it hasn't had that large of a foothold even though it's "easy". Wal-mart still has workers at checkout even though the entire process is already capable of being automated.

The final thing is that there will still likely be a few people doing jobs just like we have a few people doing agriculture jobs...but its at what...a 90% reduction compared to when even 100 years ago?
     
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If you're not a more marketable professional when you're laid off than you were when you were hired, then you actually deserved to be fired. My point isn't "if you're lazy, you deserve to be laid off." My point is, when you're laid off - at that point, you should have more to show for yourself. These people laid off from HP should be able to tell their next interviewers all about how they've taken their previous opportunity to better him or herself.

So what, you're laid off from Bank of America (that sucks), but like I said, you've proven yourself at your previous job making you more marketable overall. Ideally, you're more marketable, you've acquired new skills, etc etc more $$$

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Shame on you.
Insulting thousands of people who now are suddenly losing a substantial part of their income with bills to pay and mouths to feed.

Have you ever even job hunted? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
It's never easy.

You have no clue as to how marketable these people at HP are, yet you think just because they don't get a job the very next day that they should just never have a job and be homeless.

Why don't you look in the mirror and think about being layed off yourself tomorrow. You got another job offer waiting on your desk to pay the bills?


So I get your message but it didn't have to come off so ignorantly insulting.
Here's what you should have said instead:
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This sucks. I hope the people at HP took some time to learn more skills to help them in the tough job market they're about to face. One should always be improving their skills at the work place because as we see, no job lasts forever.
Simple, precise, not insulting, and gets the message across.
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Shame on you.
Insulting thousands of people who now are suddenly losing a substantial part of their income with bills to pay and mouths to feed.

Have you ever even job hunted?

He didn't say anything to insult the people who lost their jobs. He's only saying that it's in everyone's best interest to continue to improve their skill sets and make themselves more marketable, and that they should be continually doing this even if they have a comfortable job. As an employee what we bring to the table is our skill set, it's what we bargain with, and it's how a potential employer judges the value we bring to a company.

So, if people realise that:
1) no job is 100% secure, therefore they may be in the situation of trying to find a new job at any given moment,
2) their potential to find new and better work is directly related to the marketable skills they have mastered,
3) there is no better place to learn new skills than while on the job

Then you would hope that those people who are being let go from HP have used their time there to their advantage, learned some useful skills, built up their resume, and are now more qualified than they were when they first started at HP. Nowhere is there an implication that losing their job is an ideal scenario, or easy on them or their families. The only lack of sympathy I detected was for hypothetical people who wasted their time while employed and had not improved themselves at all.

For my part I wish the best to those who will be let go and hope they will quickly find a place where their talents will be both useful and appreciated.
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

It's sad to see someone who is 105 years old die too, but it's quite natural.

Making an obvious comment like that is largely meaningless unless you actually attach some meaning it to it, in this case, like are willing to do something about it.

I'm just saying.


Fact of the matter is, we are a planet of 7 billion people and we have advanced technology to the point where we can automate jobs that can do it better and cheaper than humans. This is the way of the future. Make yourself indispensable and you won't have anything to worry about.

All true, except for the fact that nobody is indispensable. No, not even you. With AI becoming more and more powerful, the way forward for humanity is through compassion. Not shrugging our shoulders and talking about what is or isn't "natural".
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LOL, if those who gained too few skills at their job and were laid would never find a job, it would terrible for the economy. Only about 30÷ of employees strive to exceed at thier jobs. So the solution is to get rid of the other 70÷? Whoever thinks that surely has no marketable economy related skills.

Exceeding at your job can also make situations worse. For me, it made me over qualified for a lot of jobs due to WHAT I did and how I did, but also under qualified for others because of the actual years of my experiences. Then I got in an accident, needed back and neck surgeries, which took 3 years to recover from. 3 years of unemployment is terrible and I cannot even tell hiring managers the truth because I will look like a health liability.
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He didn't say anything to insult the people who lost their jobs.

edit: This is dumb. People on here can read. I just guess some people have other definitions for insults. It was insulting to me. I have no doubt in my mind it was insulting to those who were laid off.
Edited by kennyparker1337 - 9/18/15 at 8:07pm
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More layoffs equal fewer tax payers. US government should be on HP's ass all the time.
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It's too bad they had to cut jobs but every time this happens I've heard people say "cut C.E.O salaries" as if that will save jobs. They say the same here when the gold or platinum mines are in trouble due to commodity prices. However, cutting out a C.E.O completely in one case would have given each worker less than R50.00 extra per month, and would save no one's job. The C.E.O carries much more responsibility than any other worker so they earn much more, but even giving their whole salary up will in 99% of large corporates not save jobs and having a useless C.E.O willing to work for peanuts will result in no company at all. I'm pretty sure in HP's case, with 300 000 employess, the C.E.Os salary would make no meaningful contribution at all.
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It's too bad they had to cut jobs but every time this happens I've heard people say "cut C.E.O salaries" as if that will save jobs. They say the same here when the gold or platinum mines are in trouble due to commodity prices. However, cutting out a C.E.O completely in one case would have given each worker less than R50.00 extra per month, and would save no one's job. The C.E.O carries much more responsibility than any other worker so they earn much more, but even giving their whole salary up will in 99% of large corporates not save jobs and having a useless C.E.O willing to work for peanuts will result in no company at all. I'm pretty sure in HP's case, with 300 000 employess, the C.E.Os salary would make no meaningful contribution at all.

We should just do what the banks do, raise CEO's salary when they fail. Oh wait, that already happens in our free market looting economy.
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