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it depends on the setting you have in the driver, if its set high by default obviously it will have worse LOD but apples to apples its the same, also performance wise its minor
Performance wise in this family of graphics engines, NVidia is pretty manure.
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I also see the 1060 side hitching every now and again (eg, when after the benchmark, him running towards a car and the movement on the 1060 was shaky). Anyone else notice or am I dreaming

Known issue that the online news sites won't talk about... (typical AMD bashing publications)

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/954602/geforce-1000-series/titan-x-pascal-high-dpc-latency-and-stuttering-/1/

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/941579/geforce-1000-series/gtx-1080-high-dpc-latency-and-stuttering/

Shoot here's a screen capture of the front page of the 10 series forum on Nvidia's official forums.


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Known issue that the online news sites won't talk about... (typical AMD bashing publications)

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/954602/geforce-1000-series/titan-x-pascal-high-dpc-latency-and-stuttering-/1/

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/941579/geforce-1000-series/gtx-1080-high-dpc-latency-and-stuttering/

Shoot here's a screen capture of the front page of the 10 series forum on Nvidia's official forums.


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What I found really interesting in the video was actually seeing a direct comparison between AMD and Nvidia memory compression. Everyone is talking how Nvidia compression is way advanced, but AMD was supposed to have greatly improved their compression and was claimed to be better. Now we see that 9/10 times in the test AMD does in fact have much better memory compression:

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the memory compression thing isn't to lower the cache use but less bandwidth

idk which is smoother, the polaris seem to perform better with good cpus but it stutter as well in the video

its not a good proof of that latency issue, which i think they fixed in a few drivers ago.
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the memory compression thing isn't to lower the cache use but less bandwidth

idk which is smoother, the polaris seem to perform better but it also stutter in the video
its not a good proof of that latency issue, which i think they fixed in a few drivers ago.

Except its not fixed, check two posts up. Screenshot from the Geforce forums.
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What I found really interesting in the video was actually seeing a direct comparison between AMD and Nvidia memory compression. Everyone is talking how Nvidia compression is way advanced, but AMD was supposed to have greatly improved their compression and was claimed to be better. Now we see that 9/10 times in the test AMD does in fact have much better memory compression:

I'm not sure you can draw that conclusion though. Games often change VRAM use depending on how much is available. So the GTX 1060 might simply be using more VRAM because there's 6GB available rather than 4GB.

Unless he's using an 8GB RX 480, then disregard everything I said.
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it depends on the setting you have in the driver, if its set high by default obviously it will have worse LOD but apples to apples its the same, also performance wise its minor

Yep, people just don't bother tweaking those settings or even know that you can.
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Call me crazy but, the colors on the RX 480 look a lot more vibrant compared to the 1060.

Yep... AMD use a warmer color palette than nVIDIA by default. You can tweak this in the settings for both GPUs though.

Interesting to see that nVIDIA have higher CPU usage than AMD in this game whilst the game is DX11. Seems that the Deus Ex Development team used AMDs advice and multi-threaded their game engine. This effectively helps AMD in that the CPU thread 0 can now concentrate on feeding the GPU commands while the other CPU threads are busy with complex simulations, AI etc.

This leads to a DX11 game which behaves somewhat like a DX12 game in terms of Multi-threaded performance and CPU utilization. nVIDIA end up with higher CPU usage (as we see under Vulkan and DX12 titles) because their software scheduling takes up extra CPU cycles. AMD end up spreading the load across many CPU cores and thus end up with lower CPU usage.

Interesting.

In other words.. I do not think that Deus-Ex Supports deferred rendering or multi-threaded command listing. I think that the game engine is, instead, threaded.

This is just a hunch.
Edited by Mahigan - 8/24/16 at 1:34pm
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