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Hairworks looks kinda good but omg the resources that it needs are way too much.
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Well I hope Mankind Divided doesn't turn out to be rubbish. They still haven't reneged on their pre-order scheme, though.
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More open, better performing (even on NVIDIA hardware), and similar effect.

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IMO, Hairworks does look really good on the monsters & animals but does not do much for the look of Geralt. I actually prefer Geralt's look without HW. I have to agree with most on this thread though, HW is just way too much of a resource hog, even on Nvidia cards. To me that says a lot when a company can't even get their proprietary feature to work well on their products. Then to have it cripple the competitors performance on top of that!? It is one of the bigger reason I decided to go AMD for the GPU in my new rig. thumb.gif
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IMO, Hairworks does look really good on the monsters & animals but does not do much for the look of Geralt. I actually prefer Geralt's look without HW. I have to agree with most on this thread though, HW is just way too much of a resource hog, even on Nvidia cards. To me that says a lot when a company can't even get their proprietary feature to work well on their products. Then to have it cripple the competitors performance on top of that!? It is one of the bigger reason I decided to go AMD for the GPU in my new rig. thumb.gif

So when HW takes a dump on Nvidia hardware, it's incompetence, but when HW takes a dump on AMD hardware, it's malicious.

Okay, got it.
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So when HW takes a dump on Nvidia hardware, it's incompetence, but when HW takes a dump on AMD hardware, it's malicious.

Okay, got it.

Obviously you don't got it, I never said it was incompetence or maliciousness by Nvidia at all. My point was that Nvidia is hurting PC gaming overall by their business tactics & keeping GWs closed source. Also just to be clear I do not feel that Nvidia is doing it maliciously or making HWs or GWs a resource hog on purpose, they are in it to make money & closed source definitely ups the profit margins. However I do feel that if they can not get their GWs features to work decently on most higher end GPUs including their own it should not be included in games just yet. Also maybe, just maybe if they made the GWs library open source we could get better optimized versions of the features....

Sorry to rain on your fanboy parade but I'm just a gamer looking to have the best performance I can out of my hardware & games. It makes no difference to me if it is an AMD or Nvidia GPU I'm running or which one the game I'm playing is optimized for. Just calling it like I see it & IMO GWs is something that hurts the overall performance of games on PC across different build types.
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So when HW takes a dump on Nvidia hardware, it's incompetence, but when HW takes a dump on AMD hardware, it's malicious.

Okay, got it.

Obviously you don't got it, I never said it was incompetence or maliciousness by Nvidia at all. My point was that Nvidia is hurting PC gaming overall by their business tactics & keeping GWs closed source. Also just to be clear I do not feel that Nvidia is doing it maliciously or making HWs or GWs a resource hog on purpose, they are in it to make money & closed source definitely ups the profit margins. However I do feel that if they can not get their GWs features to work decently on most higher end GPUs including their own it should not be included in games just yet. Also maybe, just maybe if they made the GWs library open source we could get better optimized versions of the features....

Sorry to rain on your fanboy parade but I'm just a gamer looking to have the best performance I can out of my hardware & games. It makes no difference to me if it is an AMD or Nvidia GPU I'm running or which one the game I'm playing is optimized for. Just calling it like I see it & IMO GWs is something that hurts the overall performance of games on PC across different build types.

I have to say that is the most dead on take on how I look at it Nvidia GameWorks hurts everyone but the latest and greatest Nvidia graphics card users previous gen Nvidia cards took such a massive hit it isn't even funny and well AMD got put under the bus then steam rolled and AMD couldn't do anything about it nor could the game DEV's because the code was proprietary not even the game DEV's had access to the source code because Nvidia Gameworks is a software suite the DEV's are given by Nvidia and if Nvidia didn't optimize it or put the effort in everyone but the new Nvidia card holders get the shaft big time.

The equivalent in the automotive world would be for USA and such to drop gasoline all together and only have E85 because over 70% of vehicles on the road wouldn't be able to run it and it would literally kill the engines not designed for it. The reason is E85 or 85% ethanol 15%gasoline most engines won't run on it or it would destroy theyre fuel system or worse would damage the engines internally due to lack of lubrication and less carbon alot of engines need this lubrication / carbon to keep valves seated and lubed and to protect the fuel system components fine carbon makes a great lubrication hince graphite and such.

I want to point out E85 is some nasty stuff it has a high PH draws moisture out of the air and in general is corrosive and has almost 0 lubrication water and high PH are a big No No add literally no lubrication well chaos is the longterm outcome also E85 has been proven to be almost if not more dangerous to enviroment than regular gasoline due to the manufacturing process releases massive amounts of green house gasses into the air and also the exhaust output out of a engine is high PH also essentially give birth to corrosive gas in the enviroment it is ran in.

I will say a study found the usage of E85 was only a few percentage less of carbon into the air by running it in a vehicle but upon manufacturing it adds like 10-15% more than the manufacturing of gasoline this meens a negative benefit to using it at all and E85 in general reduces fuel mileage by around 25% or more in some cases around 35%+ vs using gasoline this meens even more carbon and toxic chemicals is released vs running standard gasoline in short the ethanol idea is well a negative idea. I will say only fuel source that is carbon neutral is wood because if the wood is left to decay it releases same amount of carbon into air as if it was burned aka the term carbon neutral.
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Obviously you don't got it, I never said it was incompetence or maliciousness by Nvidia at all. My point was that Nvidia is hurting PC gaming overall by their business tactics & keeping GWs closed source. Also just to be clear I do not feel that Nvidia is doing it maliciously or making HWs or GWs a resource hog on purpose, they are in it to make money & closed source definitely ups the profit margins. However I do feel that if they can not get their GWs features to work decently on most higher end GPUs including their own it should not be included in games just yet. Also maybe, just maybe if they made the GWs library open source we could get better optimized versions of the features....

Sorry to rain on your fanboy parade but I'm just a gamer looking to have the best performance I can out of my hardware & games. It makes no difference to me if it is an AMD or Nvidia GPU I'm running or which one the game I'm playing is optimized for. Just calling it like I see it & IMO GWs is something that hurts the overall performance of games on PC across different build types.

Resort to calling me a fanboy. sure. I have 0 Nvidia cards and 4? or 5? AMD cards (3 or 4 R9 280X's and 1 R9 290)

I'm just shining light on the fallacy of your argument. "HW can't even work on Nvidia hardware" which is true. But when it's detrimental to AMD performance, it's somehow intentional?


Everything else you said I agree with. HW is a performance hog period. Just tired of seeing the AMD being victimized card.


As for "just don't include X feature because it's too hard to run on current hardware..." that's bologna. Throw in all the features you can. Maybe we can enjoy it in all its glory next "gen". Unless you wanted Crytek to tame the Crysis 1 visuals for being too hard. (Just using this as a point - not that anybody would've actually wanted that!)
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Played 100 Hours. Maybe 20 mins was time killing monsters that had HairWorks. Also we are talking about people hair.
people's hair looks poop, hw or no hw.
but I remember fighting a red furred fiend with hw on....just beautiful
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http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/10/10/deus-ex-mankind-divided-director-console-ports-on-pc-is-disrespectful-direct-x12-detals-coming-soon/
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Dugas believes that “console ports on PC is disrespectful” and they will make sure that PC version has features that console does not, to make it more distinct and separate. According to Dugas, it’s “super important that the PC version is treated as such.”

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