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I JUST WROTE A 3 PAGE COMMENT AND THE FRAGGING BROWSER RELOADED THE FRAGGING PIECE OF SHIP PAGE AND DELETED THE WHOLE FRAGGING THING FOR FRAG SAKE FRAG THIS SHIPPING THREAD I'M OUT

Lol I hate when that happens
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I JUST WROTE A 3 PAGE COMMENT AND THE FRAGGING BROWSER RELOADED THE FRAGGING PIECE OF SHIP PAGE AND DELETED THE WHOLE FRAGGING THING FOR FRAG SAKE FRAG THIS SHIPPING THREAD I'M OUT

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Reading this thread... mind blown.

similar thread about amd driver's dx11 multi-threading:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=398858

so why did AMD choose not to support Command Lists in their GPUs?
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Reading this thread... mind blown.

similar thread about amd driver's dx11 multi-threading:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=398858

so why did AMD choose not to support Command Lists in their GPUs?

like isaid in another thread . . . i'll take lower fps over tdr.biggrin.gif
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At the nvidia implemented it, AMD experimented with it but was unable to get any performance out of it. It actually hurt performance. So they didnt bother.
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Read the first post.

Nothing new to me, even when I was not informed about the reasons behind it.

Apparently its easier to maintain such driver, while not adding optimizations show real and stable potential of the graphic card. As Nvidia showed few times, "Optimization" in their meaning sometimes means "turn off that buggy thing until fixed".

Nothing new as such approach will increase FPS in exactly same way as when you completely disable HDR and AA in a game you play.

People still have to learn that FPS does not equal better performance.
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* So I've recently decided to try AMD brand of GPU's, I found this thread and have concluded a few important things and issues.

Two weeks ago I ended up downloading the Star Wars Beta Game etc. Using my GTX 780 ti it was requested that I would need to update the Nvidia Drivers to 358 (Latest Release).

* Using the 350 Drivers I updated to the latest drivers and rebooted my system: I was 1 min into the Star Wars Battlefront Beta when the screen froze. * So I rebooted system, when logging back into Steam big Picture (Used the Origin Game Short into steam) I found Steam screen had green lines across it Store page.

* I quickly exited steam only to see the same green lines on my Windows 8.1 Desktop. I went into Nvidia Game experience and returned to a set of drivers that where stable (355), I rebooted and still had the same issue with the 355 drivers ( in a bit of a rush and concerned that the green lines might have been causing issues with my HDMI line I removed the 780 ti Drivers in the Driver Menu in Windows.

After removing the drivers from the driver panel I was booted into windows only to find out that now upon boot I was seeing Green blocky lines in the post Menu? After posting the screen would show the Windows circle cursor and then the screen would go blank with a mouse pointer only- At this point I suspected something more of an issue, I ended up removing the entire O.S. and started with a fresh install (I also have to mention that the GPU was able to boot into the UEFI BIOS But still had the green lines which was not a good sign IMO).

Loading up the new windows O.S. I was again greeted with the Green lines, as well , I was still unable to boot into Windows??? I suspected my card had been damaged since the PC would auto reboot at this point which meant the GPU was damaged (somehow).

Upon doing some research I found that green lines fortell a memory issue (Cracked looset Solder damage from too much heat) The cause of the heat was due to the Memory O.C that was locked at possibly 1500MHZ (someone and others on the Nvidia 358 Drivers forums have mentioned their clocks would stick @ 1500 without down throttling the GPU). * This was mostly on older GPU before the 900 series although alot of people with newer card have had issues with Nvdia latest Drivers.

* I ended up RMA'ing the card cause it now ...would not boot into windows and would trigger a reboot in my system + Green Blocks (After checking / changing the PSU and HDMI Cable and TV HDMI inlet it still had that persistent issue).

Upon Re-installing the new O.S I began using the Intel GPU temporarily until I spotted any other issues not related to the card. And to see if any of my hardware had been damaged (which I suspect not since it been used Normally for about a year etc).

*Right now I'm looking into AMD's XFX Radeon Fury Triple dissipation GPU. I've decided to go with AMD because from what I've read on these forums that their drivers are more compatible with MOST NEW GAME RELEASES!. As well I understand that there is a slight performance loss, but I suspect that the loss is mostly related to higher Resolutions (but I've still heard some poor 1080p Benchmarks with some AMD cards.)

I feel its a general trade-off, if stick with Nvidia ( I now face drivers that are not compatible with older cards (as is my case with the GTX 780 ti).

It's important to understand that Nvidia Drivers do only one thing IMO, they have engineers go into the games code and Clean up code that is ineficient with Nvdia Hardware. From what I've read Here AMD does not do that because it obviously is time consuming.

* Nvidia IMO caters to a broad range of GPU crowds (this means they implement code for Resolutions above 1080p 60HZ ) so their memory clocks and core clocks need to be higher in order to play games at the new standard 1440p 144HZ Frame rates etc or 4k Resolutions etc.

* The reason I' going with AMD is that my system at the moment only does 1080p 60hz, I feel most AMD cards can do any Modern game with an average 60 FPS which IMO plenty of horsepower to play the game on my Monitor / TV set.

* Now I have to mention there was a post on here where someone stated that some older games are less playable on the AMD cards- If someone could elaborate on that that would be greatly appreciated.

* Most game's I play on my system utilize Direct X 11.

* Again I feel AMD GPU could bring even better light shading instead of higher FPS (which is not needed for 1080p Locked 60hz Monitor). It's unfortunate that Nvidia Drivers are no longer stable upon release (especially for newer games) which is why I'm going with AMD for now until Nvidia gets their stuff together (I think Nvidia's driver updates have always been a complicated mess and I've never updated my drivers from my older GPU's to keep them running normally, for fear of risking damaging them).

I understand that AMD only releases drivers every few months but for me its a trade-off where 1080p 60hz will always be playable with most new titles, until I switch to Direct X 12 (which I will do in a year after all the bugs have been worked out and more developers use Direct X into their games etc).

I will be getting the card next week, it's tripple fans equal my GTX 780 ti for cooling (Gainwards GTX Phantom) has one of the best air fan coolers on the market, keeping my card running on average 76c -78c max temps. AMD's triple fan solution should do a decent job as well it's some good reviews online regarding how it plays most games @ 60FPS no issues and fans are quiet as well.

I won't be O.C. it , but might not need to since my Monitor is only 1080p 60
Edited by Gamedaz - 10/26/15 at 3:23pm
post #268 of 454
They are referring to dx9 games.

Specifically, that amd doesn't optimize for dx9 much anymore.
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(Direct Solder damage from too much heat) The caue of the heat was due to the Memory O.C that was locked at possibly 1500MHZ (someone and others ont he Nvidia 358 Drivers forums have mentioned their clocks would stick @ 1500 without down throttling the GPU). * This was mostly on older GPU before the 900 series

IMO this is 1000% deliberate. Nvidia wants you to upgrade, and they know you are likely to upgrade to another Nv card. But they don't want to wait for your card to crap out on its own. So a super popular new game has a free beta, and they see a golden opportunity to make a ton of $$$. Nvidia are known for using shady practices, and I hate to be THAT guy, but I see a conspiracy here.
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IMO this is 1000% deliberate. Nvidia wants you to upgrade, and they know you are likely to upgrade to another Nv card. But they don't want to wait for your card to crap out on its own. So a super popular new game has a free beta, and they see a golden opportunity to make a ton of $$$. Nvidia are known for using shady practices, and I hate to be THAT guy, but I see a conspiracy here.

* That would be unheard of for me, to purposly release drivers that are obviously not stable, for me reflects how their core administration is poorly implementing those drivers for release and seem to not have any recourse in regards to solving issues with older GPU's. My card was possibly damaged, A. Due to Excessive heat and Clocks in its memory, or B. The GPU's Bios didn't like the updated because the fans where spinning at a certain rate or voltage was out of whack that would cause the Drivers to pack their bags and leave instead of install into the GPU etc.

* The real issue is Nvidia Driver updates are complex, IMO to try and release stable codes that will work for ALL GPUs including older Architecture is a scheme that is bound for disaster. I've got an Nvdia Card on another system and I have been using those older drivers since it was installed (sure updating the drivers improves performance somewhat ~ but is it really worth it only to discover that the card crashes more often with the newer drivers?) So I install the latest drivers with the cards release and leave it.

*I'm excited with AMD's Mantle and Direct X 12 Direction, Right now 1080p 60 is my main Resolution for gaming, core clocks @ 1200 mean nothing @ 1080p 60 FPS. I assume memory is not all important either at these 1080p 60hz Resolutions. Nvidia caters to the SLI and Higher 1440p - 4K crowd where the higher clocks provide extra frame rates to keep people happy with their new 144hz refresh monitors etc.

* I like how AMD has finally implemented Frame Rate Targeting like Nvdia , which reduces GPU usage for Games that can shoot over 100FPS thresh-hold when 60 FPS is more than enough, althoug some people on here have stated it works in some games only (but they are working on improving that possibly).

* Either way, the XFX tripple dissipation has a decent design, as well the fans function well in my case (Silverstone MiLo7 Micro Chassis) that requires alot of fan pressure to push hot air out the sides of the case. Nvidia's Current GPU's mostly have 2 fans only, where I've learned that 3 fans are the best at keeping temps low (the trade off is higher fan noise ~ Which is not a typical issue since I sit 6-7 feet away from the case anyway) but still better than temps reaching 80+ c on the GPU which most Dual or single fan usually hit.
Edited by Gamedaz - 10/26/15 at 5:03pm
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