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yes I'm somewhat AMD bashing here but

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=157374






is there anyone else do benchmarks with other non mainstream, non AAA, cpu intensive games like cities skylines? euro truck simulators and etc?

if you are playing many non mainstream, non AAA games, and also especially if they happen to be cpu intensive games... stay the hell away from AMD tongue.gif not only smaller developers are likely just optimize for nvidia, they also likely can't be bothered to do much with inherent AMD disease called CPU overhead problem.

I don't know about you but in the perspective of those who do enjoy actual and diverse pc games, AMD value is even less today, you can't be sure if those games can run properly with AMD hardware, lol.
Edited by n4p0l3onic - 2/17/16 at 2:57am
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yes I'm somewhat AMD bashing here but

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=157374
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is there anyone else do benchmarks with other non mainstream, non AAA, cpu intensive games like cities skylines? euro truck simulators and etc?

if you are playing many non mainstream, non AAA games, and also especially if they happen to be cpu intensive games... stay the hell away from AMD tongue.gif not only smaller developers are likely just optimize for nvidia, they also likely can't be bothered to do much with inherent AMD disease called CPU overhead problem.

I don't know about you but in the perspective of those who do enjoy actual and diverse pc games, AMD value is even less today, you can't be sure if those games can run properly with AMD hardware, lol.

Even a lowly HD 5770 can run Euro Trucks. Just have to adjust the settings of course.

You want to see a real world overhead issue?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1587616/i5-4690k-100-usage-gaming-temps-fine-windows-10
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Even a lowly HD 5770 can run Euro Trucks. Just have to adjust the settings of course.

You want to see a real world overhead issue?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1587616/i5-4690k-100-usage-gaming-temps-fine-windows-10

lel...

but seriously it's a crime that everyone only benchmarks popular console centric AAA games for hardware performance evaluation, they really should test many more pc games, especially in this era.
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lel...

but seriously it's a crime that everyone only benchmarks popular console centric AAA games for hardware performance evaluation, they really should test many more pc games, especially in this era.

you mean lol? poor fellow cannot use both his gpus to take advantage1440 at 144Hz.redface.gif

If a HD 5770 will play Euro Trucks my HD 7770 can certainly will as well. You make it sound like . . . it's the end for us amd users.headscratch.gif
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lel...

but seriously it's a crime that everyone only benchmarks popular console centric AAA games for hardware performance evaluation, they really should test many more pc games, especially in this era.

I don't know if you've been keeping score or not but damn near nothing by way of AAA titles are made with the PC in mind. Its almost all consoles first then PC 2nd.
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you mean lol? poor fellow cannot use both his gpus to take advantage1440 at 144Hz.redface.gif

If a HD 5770 will play Euro Trucks my HD 7770 can certainly will as well. You make it sound like . . . it's the end for us amd users.headscratch.gif

of course yes it can run with amd, but how about performance vs nvidia? to rephrase the entire question, how do the performance of nv vs amd cards in non mainstream, non AAA games? are they still reflecting the benchmarks from popular games or do they contain surprises? what if the gts 250 somehow still beating hd7770 in truck simulators? what about in games like firewatch, unravel, the witness etc, 3 recent highly praised indie games... this is the point, in the last few years there were WAY TOO MANY great games on pc that came from indies, for like 1 AAA game I bought / got, I bought like 4-5 more indie ones, that's very significant... too significant to be ignored actually, and if... sorry to amd fanboys, if amd cards do far worse than nv in those smaller games (or even if it nv who is worse)... gamers have a right to know.

I think my reasoning is sound enough, smaller developers are likely to optimize just for nvidia cards, there are high chances that they only have nvidia cards on their development machines, there are high chances that they can't be bothered to deal with amd cpu overhead problem (heck as stated by OP, AAA games also suffer from this with amd cards, but the point is, how far worse they could affect smaller games)... these are unfortunate truth, but again, gamers do have a right to know about this.
post #417 of 454
they are called AAA for a reason you know.

No popular review site is going to benchmark indie games.

Notice the words AAA and popular.

clicks=money.
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they are called AAA for a reason you know.

No popular review site is going to benchmark indie games.

Notice the words AAA and popular.

clicks=money.

that's a very outdated way of thinking with the current climate of gaming, especially pc gaming.

and on the contrary, there's no reason to think that diversifying the benchmarks would generate less clicks, in fact it might as well generate even more clicks, since you know, being unique and providing more insight, I pity those sites don't think this way.
post #419 of 454
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of course yes it can run with amd, but how about performance vs nvidia? to rephrase the entire question, how do the performance of nv vs amd cards in non mainstream, non AAA games? are they still reflecting the benchmarks from popular games or do they contain surprises? what if the gts 250 somehow still beating hd7770 in truck simulators? what about in games like firewatch, unravel, the witness etc, 3 recent highly praised indie games... this is the point, in the last few years there were WAY TOO MANY great games on pc that came from indies, for like 1 AAA game I bought / got, I bought like 4-5 more indie ones, that's very significant... too significant to be ignored actually, and if... sorry to amd fanboys, if amd cards do far worse than nv in those smaller games (or even if it nv who is worse)... gamers have a right to know.

I think my reasoning is sound enough, smaller developers are likely to optimize just for nvidia cards, there are high chances that they only have nvidia cards on their development machines, there are high chances that they can't be bothered to deal with amd cpu overhead problem (heck as stated by OP, AAA games also suffer from this with amd cards, but the point is, how far worse they could affect smaller games)... these are unfortunate truth, but again, gamers do have a right to know about this.

i can play the game with an hd 7770 and i am going to fuss about my gpu getting beat by nvidia? headscratch.gif

BTW, i don't have truck sim, i did play train with the hd 7770 just fine.
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that's a very outdated way of thinking with the current climate of gaming, especially pc gaming.

and on the contrary, there's no reason to think that diversifying the benchmarks would generate less clicks, in fact it might as well generate even more clicks, since you know, being unique and providing more insight, I pity those sites don't think this way.

you keep holding you breath....

lol
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