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144hz 1440p Comparison Table
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Are there better options at that $450 price point? Seems to be a good number of of reviews concerning build quality, flickering issues and about needing a firmware update that they won't provide unless you ship it back to them at your expense?

I might be willing to go up to the $500 mark for something that's higher quality...
http://gaming.benq.com/gaming-monitor/xl2730z
  
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144hz 1440p Comparison Table

Thanks - that's very helpful!
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http://gaming.benq.com/gaming-monitor/xl2730z
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The OP said "FPS." That should probably mean a TN, especially at the high refresh rates (at 60 Hz, a fast IPS and a TN both run up heavily into the 60 Hz sample-and-hold blur limitation, so the difference in pixel response times gets swamped out, but at higher refresh rates, the faster response times of TN again make more of a difference). Depends on the exact implementation, though.


Aside from the Acer XG270HU, there is the new Asus MG278Q which may or may not be better. Also the BenQ XL2730Z (I don't know if overdrive in FreeSync mode is fixed now or not; that was a common issue on earlier FreeSync monitors):
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_xl2730z.htm

But these are all a ways from the original $350 price point.

Yeah, but it seems like I'd be doing myself a disservice by getting something at my $350 pricepoint... I'd have to pick between either 120/144hz or 1440p - I definitely want the 144hz for competitive FPS, but then I'd be going 1080p which isn't a resolution that properly utilizes my two 290s. I guess I'll edit my title to convey my willingness to spend more a 1440p+144hz.. what's the issue with overdrive and FreeSync? Is it exclusive to the benQ?

And are those are my 3 choices then?
1) Acer XG270HU @ $450ish
2) BenQ XL2730Z @ $515
3) Asus MG278Q @ $550 (though I can't even find the Asus selling anywhere yet)

They're all 1440p, 144hz, FreeSync TN panels. Are there really any major differences in performance or picture quality? I guess the BenQ and Asus are a bit higher end/ better build quality, more adjustable and have USB hubs? Anything else of note that might push me in a given direction?
Edited by killa_concept - 9/28/15 at 2:32am
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The issue with overdrive was fixed long ago (the issue was that overdrive wouldn't work with freesync but now it's been updated with a new firmware that fixes the issue since 1/6/15) if you buy the monitor from amazon or other popular retailers you are pretty much guaranteed to get the fixed version so you don't have to worry about sending the monitor to benq.

The build quality of the benq is very good, the stand is very well built and has all the ergonomic features u can want from a monitor stand, you can read a lot of useful info about the monitor on the link that mikeaj posted : http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_xl2730z.htm

It has some useful features like "black equalizer" (basically make's darker areas easier to see, really useful if you play competitive fps, most cs:go pro's use it on their benq monitors) also another cool feature called "Benq blur reduction" which eliminates most of the motion blur if not almost all of it, however as a tradeoff the screen becomes dimmer but you can play around with the settings in the OSD menu to get it to where you want it brightness/blur reduction wise.

Also there is a "color vibrance" setting that can make colors more vibrant(duh...) which is basically like what you can do in your gpu driver (in the nvidia driver it's called digital vibrance I know amd also has the same thing but forgot the name, most cs:go pro's also use this via the gpu drivers, their reasoning is that it make's stuff easier to see in games i guess)

The input lag/response time is basically the same as the most popular 144hz tn monitors, very good.

The monitor uses an 8bit panel so the colors are pretty damn nice for a TN panel, it's not IPS but it's pretty close if calibrated, so when you play those pretty singleplayer games you can turn off the "black equalizer" and you'll have a great time with decent colors + 1440p and freesync(40hz to 144hz) to get rid of tearing and inputlag.

Benq also has pretty good customer support (well I can speak for myself and my own experience with dealing with em) so go with the benq if your budget allows it, it's an amazing monitor smile.gif
(I know the IPS 1440p freesync Asus MG279q exists but outside of 120/144hz the monitor has some serious input lag issues, and the freesync range is 35-90 so you will experience input lag while using freesync on that thing not to mention 35-90 freesync range... I mean like seriously? asus please... also I'm not sure if the MG278q has the same problem input lag wise as the MG279q)

TLDR: go with the benq xl2730z pretty much the best freesync monitor out atm if you also play some competitive fps games.
Edited by LunaTiC123 - 9/28/15 at 3:09am
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The issue with overdrive was fixed long ago (the issue was that overdrive wouldn't work with freesync but now it's been updated with a new firmware that fixes the issue since 1/6/15) if you buy the monitor from amazon or other popular retailers you are pretty much guaranteed to get the fixed version so you don't have to worry about sending the monitor to benq.

The build quality of the benq is very good, the stand is very well built and has all the ergonomic features u can want from a monitor stand, you can read a lot of useful info about the monitor on the link that mikeaj posted : http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_xl2730z.htm

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Dude that's highly informative and very appreciated. I also somehow missed the link mikeaj posted. I'll read over the whole review.

Yeah, I was looking at the MG279q, but it had shoddy reviews and the all the other IPS-based 1440p/144hz monitors I saw were $100-200 above my budget while also having higher input lag and not working as well with FreeSync. I guess the picture quality would be a decent bit better, but I'm not sure if it's really worth it... I think it's just a limitation of IPS panels? TN just works better for higher frequencies?And I doubt the MG278q would have the same input lag problems as the MG279q - it's a TN panel rather than an IPS.

The problem is that I can't find the MG278q for sale from a reputable vendor just yet and it seems to be priced $40ish dollars higher than the BenQ. I'll admit that I kind of like the idea of the Game Plus crosshair overlay fuction - seems kind of gimmicky and borderline cheaty - not to mention the awful crosshair options, but it could help with quick-scoping in CS GO. Is that the only real competition to the BenQ in the $550ish price range? I've already kind of ruled the Acer out...
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Wew 550$ for a monitor? You can do a lot of stuff with 550$.
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Wew 550$ for a monitor? You can do a lot of stuff with 550$.

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Wew 550$ for an AimPoint optic on your AR? You can do a lot of stuff with 550$.

Joking aside, I honestly am not 100% sure as to what you're getting at - this is a computer enthusiast website. People have a weird tendency to spend disposable income on their hobbies. I've sort of come to the realization that a lot of people are willing to spend a good chunk of change building enthusiast systems for gaming... but then skimp on the item that actually displays the end result of all that processing power.
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Best monitor for FREESYNC?
Eizo Foris FS2735.
http://www.eizoglobal.com/products/foris/fs2735/index.html
Should have a working strobe backlight. There's no information on it atm, but it can't be worse than the Benq XL2730Z.
Note the Benq XL2730Z can not strobe under 120hz in sync with the refresh rate due to a firmware bug.

Wait for this monitor.

Best FPS monitor **WITHOUT** freesync?
Benq XL2720Z. 60-144hz strobing in every refresh rate possible (1 hz increments). AMA low (hidden) mode toggle for blur reduction (V3-V5 firmware only).

The 24" Benq Z series and the XL2430T do NOT have this extra AMA mode, although this is best used for 2D sidescrolling/platform games games.
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Best monitor for FREESYNC?
Eizo Foris FS2735.
http://www.eizoglobal.com/products/foris/fs2735/index.html
Should have a working strobe backlight. There's no information on it atm, but it can't be worse than the Benq XL2730Z.
Note the Benq XL2730Z can not strobe under 120hz in sync with the refresh rate due to a firmware bug.

Wait for this monitor.

Best FPS monitor **WITHOUT** freesync?
Benq XL2720Z. 60-144hz strobing in every refresh rate possible (1 hz increments). AMA low (hidden) mode toggle for blur reduction (V3-V5 firmware only).

The 24" Benq Z series and the XL2430T do NOT have this extra AMA mode, although this is best used for 2D sidescrolling/platform games games.

But the problem with xl2730z's strobing is only under 120/144hz right? so unless OP uses it for console gaming or for some reason wants' to use it @ 60hz/100hz there shouldn't be any problem right? Also this problem is only if he want's to use Benq blur reduction(backlight strobing) he might end up not using it at all since you can't use freesync at the same time with benq blur reduction.

I do agree that the Eizo FS2735 looks damn good feature wise and Eizo's 5 year warranty and their 6 month no bright pixels defects are pretty sweet, if the freesync range on the FS2735 ends up being 30-144hz or 40-144hz it's going to be the best freesync monitor out yet but there's no info yet on that and all we know atm is that it will release this winter unless it gets delayed so it depends if OP want's to wait for it or not.
Edited by LunaTiC123 - 9/28/15 at 11:32pm
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Yeah I find that to be a MAJOR issue. Because as you know, in order to get the most benefit of strobing (in other words to not make it worthless), you need to keep refresh rate = framerate at almost all times. If you can do this, you will be granted with the most eye pleasing candy outside of the good old 125hz/125 fps CRT era of glass smooth gaming. Trust me it's that good.

But this means that you need to lower the refresh rate to get what you truly want, depending on what game you're playing, if there's a framerate cap, or if you're using details too high to maintain a high FPS Unless you lower the refresh rate (Via a custom refresh rate) to the point where the average FPS meets or exceeds the current refresh rate.

For example:
FPS locked games:

Call of duty: (several versions:) FPS locked to 91.
If you enable strobing at 120 hz, you will get stuttering. Yes you still get a smooth image and everything will be clearer than NOT having strobing at all, but it will look pretty jerky.

XL2730Z: you are forced to use 120hz refresh rate for 91 FPS cap=smooth but a bit jerky. It's very playable (as I said above) but the fps not being in sync with the refresh rate definitely hurts..

XL2720Z: Enter service menu, turn on "Single strobe', make a custom 91 hz (Yep, you can make a 91hz) refresh rate, use Vertical total 1502 for lowest strobe crosstalk (25% lower crosstalk than a stock vertical total), then enable vsync and you get 91 hz 91 FPS smooth gameplay.

60 hz: dark souls, Dark souls 2, Ultra street fighter 4, Street fighter 5, etc.
XL2730Z: must use 120hz strobing. Since this is exactly half of 120hz, it will strobe twice per every refresh (aka double strobe) so it will be in sync, but will cause a double image. Due to how LCD's work, this double image will be significantly worse than something like 60 FPS @ 120hz on a CRT screen, at least on the desktop. The game WILL look better than no blur reduction at all, but will seem a bit artificial.

XL2720Z: Enable single strobe and 60hz/60 fps smooth strobing once per refresh. Backlight will flicker like a 60hz CRT, since clearly it's strobing less often.
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