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Just use NoScript and know what you're downloading.
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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

i don't disagree with any of what you stated there. what AVG does with their "free software" is collect data so they can to make a profile that they then sell. i disagree when i see people accept it as a necessary fact of life.

there are laws in place to protect a person's privacy online. as an example google is involved in two lawsuits; one in the U.S. for providing information to a third party thru google wallet and in the U.K. for by passing apple's safari privacy safeguards.

neither action would not have been taken if those folks thought they "just gave up" their privacy because they're online, now would they?

it's a shame history constantly repeats itself - the minority fights for the rights of the (ignorant) majority. redface.gif

not directing that to anyone in particular.

I don't disagree with any of that either. And you're talking about EU law which is a bit different... for some reason they're actually getting that right but over here megacorps have already won. Just read the new Title II regs. There's regulation allowing ISPs to throttle or block traffic that they deem unlawful, harmful or unwanted... yet there are no regulations on how exactly they are allowed to make this determination.

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nope. you do not give up your privacy connecting to the internet; you give up your privacy when you allow someone to take it from you. wink.gif

And the reason why I see it the other way is that to even connect to the internet your IP has been given a name, address, phone number, email, billing information, account number, etc... With a smartphone, include time and location tracking, how often and how long you stop at Starbucks, what routes you take, what time you stop moving, and so much more.

Privacy isn't really something you allow to take. If you're allowing it, it's not really private. It's something that's taken regardless of consent. You build a fence, you close your doors and windows, you draw the blinds or curtains, etc... Those are all proactive steps you take to ensure a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Yeah, guess we're just discussing semantics at this point. At least it doesn't seem that we disagree on much though. thumb.gif
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AVG is now owned by a us company, so good luck with them adhering to personnel data legislation in eu lol
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I don't disagree with any of that either. And you're talking about EU law which is a bit different... for some reason they're actually getting that right but over here megacorps have already won. Just read the new Title II regs. There's regulation allowing ISPs to throttle or block traffic that they deem unlawful, harmful or unwanted... yet there are no regulations on how exactly they are allowed to make this determination.
And the reason why I see it the other way is that to even connect to the internet your IP has been given a name, address, phone number, email, billing information, account number, etc... With a smartphone, include time and location tracking, how often and how long you stop at Starbucks, what routes you take, what time you stop moving, and so much more.

Privacy isn't really something you allow to take. If you're allowing it, it's not really private. It's something that's taken regardless of consent. You build a fence, you close your doors and windows, you draw the blinds or curtains, etc... Those are all proactive steps you take to ensure a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Yeah, guess we're just discussing semantics at this point. At least it doesn't seem that we disagree on much though. thumb.gif

I don't think you can just call up Comcast and ask for billing information for some random IP you find out is provided by them.
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I don't think you can just call up Comcast and ask for billing information for some random IP you find out is provided by them.

Just by nature of submitting personal information on the internet means that it is accessible somewhere.

Ashely Madison hack. Two possible suicides. Other drama. Every major corp has probably been hacked numerous times. A police officer looking up license plates of cute girls. An unscrupulous Facebook or Google employee could also potentially gain private data. There are all sorts of potential violations of privacy that many not have any negative effect. That's not the point. The point is that there is a lot of data being compiled by a lot of companies and you cannot predict how such data could be used against you.
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Using AVG paid because my subscription does not expire till 2018. ( got free serial) I assume the above along happens only to free users?

So is AV software still a resource hog? I think they have improved in terms of resource management compared to the likes of Norton of 15 years ago, plus members here have 16gb ram, ssds overclocked systems I doubt it is noticeable compared to the old Pentium 3/4 times.
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post #127 of 191
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ah yeah, power is quite . . . powerful. tongue.gif so is having a defeatists POV.
ignorance isn't bliss, that is a fact. thumb.gif

now if you want to be an extremist to prove a point, well you're wrong there also. your privacy is at risk even when you grocery shop - so not being connected is no guarantee either buddy. wink.gif

There is nothing "extremist" about stating the obvious. The second you plug that ethernet cord in or enable wireless to the internet, your PC is data mined. Your IP gives away literally everything. I'm not even sure why you're arguing with this, it is common sense. Just having a Windows OS ruins anything to do with privacy. Any major OS is well grounded these days. You think just because people are starting to actually realize what M$ is doing with W10 these days means your PC has been safe before hand? lol no

Also, paying cash while grocery shopping voids privacy concerns. But I shouldn't have to state the obvious...
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Had been using AVG free until this post. Switched to Avira free. Thanks a lot.
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If 'you' are using AVG you deserve this.
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post #130 of 191
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Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post

Just use NoScript and know what you're downloading.

That's like saying you don't need car insurance if you as long as you drive carefully or you don't need health insurance because you never get sick.

All it takes in 1 time and you are screwed. Screwed much more than if you had the insurance in the first place. AV is the same way, it could have prevented the connection or blocked the dirty USB stick.


Stuff happens unexpectedly. Being careful is not good enough. You need AV just like you need Insurance. You may not ever see the need until it happens.
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