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The irony of you defending your ISP and yet pointing out this blows my mind. You are arguing several different points at a time without realizing they overlap and basically make you sound like a hypocrite.

If you are interested, this is what the EU directive of 2006, about data retention was including. The directive, came after years of US pressure to make it, after 9/11 and afterwards the EU signed a "data exchange" treaty with USA. In 2014, the EU Court of Justice, ruled against the directive, as violating privacy, not providing enough safeguards that the access to this data was impossible to non authorized personnel, not making sure irreversible destruction of data was occuring after the 2 years period and even that... it didn't specify that the data had to be stored in the national or even EU soil (hint, hint: NSA). The EU Commission after the ruling, had to write down new directive, which i admit, i have not read, but certainly will still have "big brotheresque" features. Whatever was included in the EU directive, you can bet that at least at the same amount happens in USA, because like i said, this was done after US insistense it the "war against terror".
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Categories of data to be retained
1. Member States shall ensure that the following categories of data are retained under this Directive:
(a)
data necessary to trace and identify the source of a communication:
(1)
concerning fixed network telephony and mobile telephony:
(i)
the calling telephone number;
(ii)
the name and address of the subscriber or registered user;
(2)
concerning Internet access, Internet e-mail and Internet telephony:
(i)
the user ID(s) allocated;
(ii)
the user ID and telephone number allocated to any communication entering the public telephone network;
(iii)
the name and address of the subscriber or registered user to whom an Internet Protocol (IP) address, user ID or telephone number was allocated at the time of the communication;
(b)
data necessary to identify the destination of a communication:
(1)
concerning fixed network telephony and mobile telephony:
(i)
the number(s) dialled (the telephone number(s) called), and, in cases involving supplementary services such as call forwarding or call transfer, the number or numbers to which the call is routed;
(ii)
the name(s) and address(es) of the subscriber(s) or registered user(s);
(2)
concerning Internet e-mail and Internet telephony:
(i)
the user ID or telephone number of the intended recipient(s) of an Internet telephony call;
(ii)
the name(s) and address(es) of the subscriber(s) or registered user(s) and user ID of the intended recipient of the communication;
(c)
data necessary to identify the date, time and duration of a communication:
(1)
concerning fixed network telephony and mobile telephony, the date and time of the start and end of the communication;
(2)
concerning Internet access, Internet e-mail and Internet telephony:
(i)
the date and time of the log-in and log-off of the Internet access service, based on a certain time zone, together with the IP address, whether dynamic or static, allocated by the Internet access service provider to a communication, and the user ID of the subscriber or registered user;
(ii)
the date and time of the log-in and log-off of the Internet e-mail service or Internet telephony service, based on a certain time zone;
(d)
data necessary to identify the type of communication:
(1)
concerning fixed network telephony and mobile telephony: the telephone service used;
(2)
concerning Internet e-mail and Internet telephony: the Internet service used;
(e)
data necessary to identify users' communication equipment or what purports to be their equipment:
(1)
concerning fixed network telephony, the calling and called telephone numbers;
(2)
concerning mobile telephony:
(i)
the calling and called telephone numbers;
(ii)
the International Mobile Subscriber Identity (IMSI) of the calling party;
(iii)
the International Mobile Equipment Identity (IMEI) of the calling party;
(iv)
the IMSI of the called party;
(v)
the IMEI of the called party;
(vi)
in the case of pre-paid anonymous services, the date and time of the initial activation of the service and the location label (Cell ID) from which the service was activated;
(3)
concerning Internet access, Internet e-mail and Internet telephony:
(i)
the calling telephone number for dial-up access;
(ii)
the digital subscriber line (DSL) or other end point of the originator of the communication;
(f)
data necessary to identify the location of mobile communication equipment:
(1)
the location label (Cell ID) at the start of the communication;
(2)
data identifying the geographic location of cells by reference to their location labels (Cell ID) during the period for which communications data are retained.
2. No data revealing the content of the communication may be retained pursuant to this Directive.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:32006L0024

Edited by Undervolter - 9/22/15 at 8:17am
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post #172 of 191
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What's so funny about malware in a computer's enthusiast forum? Care to elaborate?

Sometimes strongly worded opinions can be misinterpreted as "whining".
post #173 of 191
Here's something to have a good laugh. This is from malware writers' portfolio, selling available exploits, on common software, that will allow you to execute code to remote PC, through security holes in the common software. In this portfolio, it includes, sold (to someone interested) exploit, that helps you root a computer through its antivirus:




^ Like they say, all programs have bugs. Any program that has internet access, has bugs and thus, can be potentially remotely exploited by someone who has discovered the bug, but not disclosed it. This includes...antiviruses. biggrin.gif




^ This one is a good guy (white hat). So instead of using his discovery for rooting other computers, he informs the antivirus company, to patch up their holes that allow to remotely root a computer using the antivirus. Typically, the companies then give them a "finder's fee". But if he was a "bad guy", he could root any PC running that antivirus.

Of course, 99% of the antivirus users, have blind faith on their antivirus and would never dream that they can be infected THROUGH their antivirus. biggrin.gif

"That damn hacker that broke into our company's computers is a ghost! We were running the best antivirus in the industry!!!" rolleyes.gif
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post #174 of 191
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nope buddy, no hypocrite here because i pointed out an instance where you weren't aware when your privacy is at risk. its funny how you will claim that an isp will "give away" all your info but yet have no idea what data they do collect/store. and thanks for coming forth and admitting all you know is what is in click bait articles and the ensuing FUD that is spread on forums. thumb.gif

talk about being a hypocrite and gullible.

kettle meet pot.

No, you automatically assumed I was unaware of a store card giving away privacy because I did not quote your mention of it. That doesn't make me oblivious, it makes you look silly for jumping to conclusions.

Then you assumed that all I look at is clickbait articles based on my mentioning of "news articles in the last decade" and yet you linked your own clickbait beforehand as if it is supposed to be a more trustworthy source, hilarious.

You are literally pulling words out of thin air and making things up that I never said... Please just do yourself a favor and stop.
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No, you automatically assumed I was unaware of a store card giving away privacy because I did not quote your mention of it. That doesn't make me oblivious, it makes you look silly for jumping to conclusions.

again nope. your direct reply to me mentioning privacy concerns while grocery shopping was:
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Also, paying cash while grocery shopping voids privacy concerns. But I shouldn't have to state the obvious...

as you state, pay cash=no privacy concerns. you sure are totally aware of a store card there . . . silly me.
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Then you assumed that all I look at is clickbait articles based on my mentioning of "news articles in the last decade" and yet you linked your own clickbait beforehand as if it is supposed to be a more trustworthy source, hilarious.

and again nope. since you seemed to not know what your talking about from the very beginning, i inferred prior to you mentioning "news articles in the last decade" with:
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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

let em guess - you saw a few click bait headlines and started making assumptions . . .tin foil brigade - FORWARD!

and then i didn't link any article myself but a leaked worksheet from my isp that was publish by a pretty reputable site (torrent freak). then you state that:
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Don't know, don't care? I'm not worried about what my ISP logs or keeps track of.

but yet had made several claims as to what data an isp tracks and gives away without demonstrating the least bit of actual knowledge of such.

sure an isp like an other utility will have a name and address, you know for where they are to provide service. and will even log what sites are visited to monitor network traffic. but anything else is just too much work for them with little gain. there is no gold mine wading through several thousand or even tens of thousands of emails which contents pertains to two women exchanging recipes or the like. its totally worth wild to them that when i view a porn site i click on amateur redheads.

yeah that information will pay huge dividends from all the capital and human resources that will need be invested. it will sure show google and facebook how wrong their cost efficient data mining models are.
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You are literally pulling words out of thin air and making things up that I never said... Please just do yourself a favor and stop.

yep. making this all up and i am really replying to nothing (with the latter being pretty ironic). maybe do everyone a favor and not reply anymore with nothing?

or do you need to hone your "twisting words and making things up with erroneous recollection " debate strategy more?
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Fuel for the fire. Obviously, software has security bugs. We don't always expect our AV stack to be the source of them.

http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/09/security-wares-like-kaspersky-av-can-make-you-more-vulnerable-to-attacks/
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I don't see why people still use AV.
Not much a point to use it if you have common sense and don't allow scripts to be run/download smartly.
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post #178 of 191
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I don't see why people still use AV.
Not much a point to use it if you have common sense and don't allow scripts to be run/download smartly.

So how do you know you have no virus if there is nothing to do check?
It is just another layer of security. The performance loss is nonexistent nowdays and there might be a time it saves you ass.
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as you state, pay cash=no privacy concerns. you sure are totally aware of a store card there . . . silly me.

Exactly. I specifically stated cash. It is logical to assume that this was the only variable. You automatically assumed I was ignorant of a store card. Your mistake. I know what a store card is, I have several. I know what information they require when you sign up. This is common sense. You are literally reaching for something to pin on me when there is zero evidence suggesting otherwise. Again, stop pulling words out of my mouth I never stated.
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and again nope. since you seemed to not know what your talking about from the very beginning, i inferred prior to you mentioning "news articles in the last decade" with:

You inferred. That was your problem. Again, baseless assumptions.
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and then i didn't link any article myself but a leaked worksheet from my isp that was publish by a pretty reputable site (torrent freak). then you state that:

What you mentioned here literally had nothing to do with this quote of mine:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fossil 
Don't know, don't care? I'm not worried about what my ISP logs or keeps track of.

You specifically asked me this
Quote:
Originally Posted by looniam 
have you at least called your isp and asked them? read the fine print in your contract? do they have the infrastructure, human resources and budget to handle all that data you're claiming they have?

Which my quote just above was in response to this. You're reaching to apply my responses to things I am not even addressing directly.
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Originally Posted by looniam 
but yet had made several claims as to what data an isp tracks and gives away without demonstrating the least bit of actual knowledge of such.

Sorry, should I have linked to a "leaked worksheet from my ISP" to back my wild and crazy claims? Hahaha.
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Originally Posted by looniam 
sure an isp like an other utility will have a name and address, you know for where they are to provide service. and will even log what sites are visited to monitor network traffic. but anything else is just too much work for them with little gain. there is no gold mine wading through several thousand or even tens of thousands of emails which contents pertains to two women exchanging recipes or the like. its totally worth wild to them that when i view a porn site i click on amateur redheads.

yeah that information will pay huge dividends from all the capital and human resources that will need be invested. it will sure show google and facebook how wrong their cost efficient data mining models are.

Ok, so that's your opinion.
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Originally Posted by looniam 
yep. making this all up and i am really replying to nothing (with the latter being pretty ironic). maybe do everyone a favor and not reply anymore with nothing?

Besides linking to a "leaked worksheet" you have quite literally proven nothing. Simply stated your opinion on the matter, just like everyone else does. I guess I shouldn't point out how many other people have agreed with a few of the things I said earlier in respone to you, because they don't know what they are talking about either.
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Originally Posted by looniam 
or do you need to hone your "twisting words and making things up with erroneous recollection " debate strategy more?

You quite literally have no idea how to effectively debate, having proven to resort to "twisting words" (ironic you would say this) on every occasion to misrepresent my statements. There will be no more replies as this is not worth anyone's time and is widly off-topic.

ps - don't let your ego blow up too much thinking you "won" an internet arguement. Cheers.
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So how do you know you have no virus if there is nothing to do check?
It is just another layer of security. The performance loss is nonexistent nowdays and there might be a time it saves you ass.
Because I manage all site scripts that run along with having knowledge of what to click and not to click.
It's a skill called common sense.
Running a 4 and a half year windows install with absolutely no issues because of that.
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