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Originally Posted by Dunan View Post

Same here, never any driver issues since the win98 days, and every card i've owned except for 1 has been amd thumb.gif

@ Almost Heathen

Don't buy cards based on driver hearsay, buy them based off of benchmarks and reviews. Reviewers never have any driver problems unless its specifically stated that the drivers are beta, so its really hard to imagine so many people still complaining about driver issues when its a thing of the very distant past.
That's great, but it proves nothing. I've read time and again about poor performance and issues in the past 5 years.

Driver quality was never the #1 criteria, but it was certainly a consideration, and of course I read reviews and look at benches. rolleyes.gif You mean to tell me that only beta drivers are bad? That's completely absurd; there are abysmal drivers on both teams.
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I was more curious to the price performance of the 950 which I have no access to.

Especially since the 950 is priced higher than the much more powerful 280x
960 you mean? I'll consider it.

That's an overstatement. They can both be had for ~$175-$250, so I don't know where you're seeing a higher price, and I wouldn't consider a slightly higher tier card "much more powerful" but to each their own. 280x is certainly impressive, from what I'm reading.

It looks like, as a pure FPS monster, $ being the same you have to give the win to the 280X. When you throw in noise, power, heat, and maybe drivers, it's less clear cut, but for sure it's worth looking real hard at that 280X before getting a 960.
Edited by Almost Heathen - 9/21/15 at 1:19am
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If people would overlook the fact that the parts in my suggestion look ancient, they would see that those are some pretty good specs for a pc. 6 cores, 12 threads, an R9 290. Those sound like good specs to me. The 6GB ram may be a bit lacking, but that's all I could fit into the budget. It should be able to play any game you throw at it, pretty much. If I only had $600 to spend on a PC, that's what I would buy.
post #43 of 50
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Originally Posted by CravinR1 View Post

I've had solely AMD GPU since the 7950 and have never had driver issues. And have had multiple crossfire confits

7950
7950 crossfire
290
290 crossfire
290 tri-fire
280x + 7950
280x crossfire



As I said in all games I benched the i5 was at best 5-10% faster with same gpu. Costed much more and could get a better gpu where the fx8 was always faster.

Newer games are using 4+ gb vram and u have a 2gb vram card. But its your money

I think people still throw around "AMD has bad drivers," but that really is an out dated mind set. AMD drivers are just fine and have been for awhile. In fact, Crossfire typically scales better than SLI these days. My only complaint in the recent past is AMD is/was slow to push out features to older cards like VSR. Performance wise, they've been good for a long time now. Outdated mentality in my opinion.
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That's great, but it proves nothing. I've read time and again about poor performance and issues in the past 5 years.

Driver quality was never the #1 criteria, but it was certainly a consideration, and of course I read reviews and look at benches. rolleyes.gif You mean to tell me that only beta drivers are bad? That's completely absurd; there are abysmal drivers on both teams.

No sir, I said when the reviewers review the cards usually the beta drivers give them the most problems and they state that in the reviews. I have rarely had any problems using beta drivers when I did it was long ago.
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I got a 280X on the 9th of June, 2015 and I constantly kept getting atikmdag.sys errors no matter what I did (Before you jump to conclusions, I have tried everything from formatting to BIOS flashing).
So I returned the card and now I'm waiting for a G1 960 to arrive (closest what nV has, similar price point etc.).

Maybe it was just an isolated incident, but I'm not risking things anymore.

Just adding my two cents since those drivers messing up my gameplay and system really put me off of AMD's offerings for the time being. At least for this system. The R9 290 sounds tempting at about 100$ more than the G1 I'm expecting, but I'm not risking it again. That's what drivers do to people.

And FYI, if it were nV drivers bugging me, the story would just be reversed. I'm not a fanboy.
Edited by Redzo - 9/26/15 at 10:31am
    
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Did you go from Nvida to AMD? Did you safe mode uninstall the nvidia driver or do a fresh windows install
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(Before you jump to conclusions, I have tried everything from formatting to BIOS flashing).

I have tried :

- Stock CPU clocks
- Stock clocks on the GPU
- Adding voltage to the stock clocks
- DDU method with 4-5 driver versions, can't remember
- After that, fresh installs as DDU wasn't helping
- EXACTLY 14 different Windows installs ranging from W7 to W8 and W8.1
- BIOS flashing
- BIOS switching via the physical switch on the card
- Underclocking
- Motherboard BIOS flashing
- Different PCIe port


Can you think of anything else ? I couldn't so I returned the bloody thing.
    
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Originally Posted by Redzo View Post

I have tried :

- Stock CPU clocks
- Stock clocks on the GPU
- Adding voltage to the stock clocks
- DDU method with 4-5 driver versions, can't remember
- After that, fresh installs as DDU wasn't helping
- EXACTLY 14 different Windows installs ranging from W7 to W8 and W8.1
- BIOS flashing
- BIOS switching via the physical switch on the card
- Underclocking
- Motherboard BIOS flashing
- Different PCIe port


Can you think of anything else ? I couldn't so I returned the bloody thing.

I certainly don't know for sure, purely speculation. But your issue sounds more like a defective card than a driver issue. With all the 280x cards in the world, a bad driver would be affecting all 280x owners. Regardless though, you did what I would have done which is return the card for something different... AMD or Nvidia.
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I certainly don't know for sure, purely speculation. But your issue sounds more like a defective card than a driver issue. With all the 280x cards in the world, a bad driver would be affecting all 280x owners. Regardless though, you did what I would have done which is return the card for something different... AMD or Nvidia.

Ditto. Brands don't matter to me, only performance and reliability. The 280X did seem defective though.

The 380 MSI version and the 960 G1 - both 4GB - are equally priced (more or less) from where I'm buying and there doesn't seem to be a huge performance discrepancy either way from what I could tell (some games favor the 380, others the 960 (Particularly WoW according to TPU!, and that's one of my primary games), the ones that are close - the 380 pulls ahead but ever so slightly, not something I would notice imo), so I chose the 960 because it runs quieter, needs less power and I love the G1 design.

Hell, I completed Crysis 3 on a 460 on 1080p, I think I'll enjoy either way cheers.gif
    
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No sir, I said when the reviewers review the cards usually the beta drivers give them the most problems and they state that in the reviews. I have rarely had any problems using beta drivers when I did it was long ago.
Perhaps I misunderstood.
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I think people still throw around "AMD has bad drivers," but that really is an out dated mind set. AMD drivers are just fine and have been for awhile. In fact, Crossfire typically scales better than SLI these days. My only complaint in the recent past is AMD is/was slow to push out features to older cards like VSR. Performance wise, they've been good for a long time now. Outdated mentality in my opinion.
With everyone saying it's no longer an issue, maybe it is indeed an outdated mentality. I can't say as though I've read anything recent regarding poor performance or confirmed bad AMD drivers (other than Catalyst 14.9).

In case STRANDEDMATOR hasn't ordered parts yet, I'll mention that the CM Elite 430 is not bad, but a poor fit for mATX. The mobo cutout doesn't quite fit the heatsink bracket, so one side presses against the motherboard tray. Could be a non issue, but I wonder if it's best to slide something in between so it's not metal to metal...though there is a protective coating on the bracket so I'd think it should stop a short.

Also, maybe I'm just not used to cheap motherboards, but everything seemed to fit poorly (too tight or too loose). Tomorrow will tell; I've still got to run the cables, and you can bet I'll be crossing my fingers when I hit the power button.

EDIT: The system works without issue, and the case allows for a lot of airflow, so it worked out.
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