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Ah, that makes sense.

That Eizo FG2421 is the best 1080p 24" monitor I've seen. You won't find a quality VA panel like that with a strobed backlight and 120hz input anywhere else... The only problems are the lack of freesync/gsync and the QQ issues. The "240hz" advertising isn't a big deal, as Eizo "Turbo 240" tech is the real deal and is something no other manufacturer puts into their monitors.

The alternative is any 1080p monitor with gsync (if you have an Nvidia card) or freesync (if you have an AMD card). But using either of those, you forfeit the ability to use a blur-reducing strobed backlight.



And are you sure about 1440p? A 2560x1440 Acer G257HU or Crossover 2795 are 1/2 the price of an Eizo FG2421 here in the U.S.
Edited by brucethemoose - 9/22/15 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by katulen View Post

Thanks alot Raikozy.

Regarding the 240hz - i was just in the phone with komplett (a scandinavian webshop), where they had this:
Eizo 23,5" LED Foris FG2421-BK
1920x1080 VA, 240hz, 5ms, 5000:1, DVI/HDMI/DP


However, the seller was telling me that the Eizo liked to do a little tweaking on their numbers, showed to customers. For instance, the 240hz, wasn't actually the screen(picture/image) hz, but more the lights of the back of the monitor's hz. The image it self was only 120/130hz. And some of the other numbers was "tweaked" as well.

Therefor the seller from komplett was actually guiding me to get a BenQ instead, for instance the:
BenQ 24" 3D LED XL2411Z
1920x1080, 144Hz, 1ms, 12M:1, VGA/DVI/HDMI


Which is quite simular to the one i have now, except the 1ms is better than my current 2ms, and ofc. the model is newer.

But, then i just read, that you (Raikozy) said that the current model (XL2411T) i've got, is the cheapest BenQ monitor,
so would it be a bad choice to go for the XL2411Z BenQ ?

I don't know why, but i've had this feeling that, when it comes to monitors, it either had to be BenQ or Eizo - but after heard that bad stuff about Eizo, i got a bit scared off to choose that.. I really don't know anything really about Samsung, AOC, ASUS gaming monitors. And thinking of my current screen is a BenQ already, i assume it would look the best with another BenQ next to it.

Regards size, i think i will stick with the 24". I really like that size, and i want it too look awesome on my desk as well wink.gif.

But what you guys think of this monitor:
BenQ 24" 3D LED XL2411Z
1920x1080, 144Hz, 1ms, 12M:1, VGA/DVI/HDMI

https://www.komplett.dk/product/807104/hardware/skrme/skrme/benq-24-3d-led-xl2411z
Price: 299€

Or is there maybe another and better 24" BenQ out there i should get?

Best regards
Katulen

the difference between 2411t and z is not that much, I think the difference is backlight strobbing or something like that. BAck then, before I decided to get the 27inch asus I got, I was planning to almost get the 2420z (around my budget) or 2430t (new and more expensive). They are definitely better and the best 24 inch 144hz 1ms monitor they have. So you may want to get either these 2
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Ah, that makes sense.

That Eizo FG2421 is the best 1080p 24" monitor I've seen. You won't find a quality VA panel like that with a strobed backlight and 120hz input anywhere else... The only problems are the lack of freesync/gsync and the QQ issues. The "240hz" advertising isn't a big deal, as Eizo "Turbo 240" tech is the real deal and is something no other manufacturer puts into their monitors.

The alternative is any 1080p monitor with gsync (if you have an Nvidia card) or freesync (if you have an AMD card). But using either of those, you forfeit the ability to use a blur-reducing strobed backlight.



And are you sure about 1440p? A 2560x1440 Acer G257HU or Crossover 2795 are 1/2 the price of an Eizo FG2421 here in the U.S.

Well.. as i said earlier, i really dont like Eizo, after i figured out they were tweaking their numbers.
All though, i have a few question, which i hope you can help me answer.
You've spoke a bit about this... G-Sync.. *** is that? And yeah i got nvidia gpu.

And another thing.. what is strobed backlight stuff? Sorry if im a newb on this subject.

And why go for 120hz, when i can get 144hz? biggrin.gif And whats the point of having 240hz "backlight" i assume, but only 120hz in the input ?

Regards the 1440p, no im not 100% sure, that would just be my ideal thought.
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the difference between 2411t and z is not that much, I think the difference is backlight strobbing or something like that. BAck then, before I decided to get the 27inch asus I got, I was planning to almost get the 2420z (around my budget) or 2430t (new and more expensive). They are definitely better and the best 24 inch 144hz 1ms monitor they have. So you may want to get either these 2

The difference between the 2411T and z is probably only the ms.. Mine (T) is 2ms, and the (Z) is 1ms.

Okay, well, when i look up the 2420Z, it says the productline is expired for some reason.
However, when i look up the 2430T, i really do like the different design.

But what is the real difference then, from my 2411T to 2430T - other than the ms, design and the 133€ increase in price?
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Last I remember Blur Busters was always on top of the latest monitor technology.

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post #15 of 19
G-Sync: http://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/preview/

Strobed backlight: http://www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/lightboost/

TLDR: GSync eliminates tearing artifacts and reduces input latency/stuttering a bit. Strobed backlights (sometimes branded as ULMB or lightboost) reduce motion blur.

The other GSYNC/Lightboost articles on the site are worth a read as well. Just remember that they're all pretty old, so while the info is relevant, some of the specific products they mention have newer, better alternatives.



What I meant to say earlier was that Eizo isn't really tweaking their numbers, so you shouldn't hold that against them. Their 120hz/240hz really is better than other 144hz monitors with a strobed backlight. Why?

Reason 1: They use a VA panel instead of a TN one. This means better colors, MUCH better blacks/contrast, and less distortion when viewing from an angle.

Reason 2: When a normal strobed monitor displays an image/frame, it waits for the LCD pixels to finish changing before flashing the backlight. The Eizo takes that a step further. First it sends a "fake" overdriven image to the LCD panel, telling the pixels to shoot past their target states, making them transition to the desired state faster. Then it sends the real, unoverdiven image to the LCD panel before flashing the backlight. That's what gives you the "240hz", as the panel itself actually refreshes twice for each frame you see.

In effect, you get the speed benefits of LCD overdrive at 120hz without the overshoot/color distortion normally associated with overdrive.
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Well.. as i said earlier, i really dont like Eizo, after i figured out they were tweaking their numbers.
All though, i have a few question, which i hope you can help me answer.
You've spoke a bit about this... G-Sync.. *** is that? And yeah i got nvidia gpu.

And another thing.. what is strobed backlight stuff? Sorry if im a newb on this subject.

And why go for 120hz, when i can get 144hz? biggrin.gif And whats the point of having 240hz "backlight" i assume, but only 120hz in the input ?

Regards the 1440p, no im not 100% sure, that would just be my ideal thought.
The difference between the 2411T and z is probably only the ms.. Mine (T) is 2ms, and the (Z) is 1ms.

Okay, well, when i look up the 2420Z, it says the productline is expired for some reason.
However, when i look up the 2430T, i really do like the different design.

But what is the real difference then, from my 2411T to 2430T - other than the ms, design and the 133€ increase in price?

IF you youtube 2430t, they actually adveritsed the new features. I know for fact that from 2411 to 2420 they added a remote control, has nicer stand (can rotate, pivot, tilt). On the 2430t, they improved the stand again. ITs now steel, it looks nicer, it seems that they bezel is a tad smaller, they also advertise this feature which allows the color to pop a lot more (dynamic something, sorry cant rememeber). OF course, the color vibrancy will be no comparison vs real IPS or VA+ (almost like OLED), but at least you can enjoy popping vibrant color on a regular TN monitor while still maintaining that nice 1ms 144hz specs.

ANother monitor I forgot to mention is 2420g, That;s bascially identical with 2420z but it has G sync built in. It can adjust its own refresh rate on the monitor dynamically (no need v sync and no tearing). This cost normally 150-200 bucks extra from the non g sync. YOu need nvidia card to take advantage of that though. There is also 2730t which is 144hz 27 inch and looks basically identical to 3420t. The difference is, it uses free sync technology instead of g sync. Free sync is AMD only. (this cost a lot, I think 1000 bucks in CAnada, the 2420g cost 650 bucks in Canada)
post #17 of 19
The biggest advantage for the Eizo 23,5" LED Foris FG2421-BK is the VA Panel. The contrast ratio alone would be reason for me to jump on it.
But Im more the IPS / VA monitor guy anyways:D
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The biggest advantage for the Eizo 23,5" LED Foris FG2421-BK is the VA Panel. The contrast ratio alone would be reason for me to jump on it.
But Im more the IPS / VA monitor guy anyways:D

yeah I never heard of va before but then I ended up buying VN279ql which looks exactly like ASUS ROG Swift. IT has amva+technology which is an improved version of regular va (isanely deep black like oled, faster response time, more vibrant color). I'm a color guy (like vibrant stuffs), I dont think I can use TN anymore, its just look pale and washed out lol
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The biggest advantage for the Eizo 23,5" LED Foris FG2421-BK is the VA Panel. The contrast ratio alone would be reason for me to jump on it.
But Im more the IPS / VA monitor guy anyways:D

yeah I never heard of va before but then I ended up buying VN279ql which looks exactly like ASUS ROG Swift. IT has amva+technology which is an improved version of regular va (isanely deep black like oled, faster response time, more vibrant color). I'm a color guy (like vibrant stuffs), I dont think I can use TN anymore, its just look pale and washed out lol


Even in some TVs with local backlight dimming, VA's blacks aren't as good as direct-emission displays like OLEDs, Plasmas, and CRTs, but it's still way better than TN/IPS.
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