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You really don't need to spend $350+ for the CPU and motherboard combined. Get the cheapest motherboard with the features you want, as all you get with more expensive boards are features. As with the CPU, a high-end i5 or i7 isn't necessary for most people. I rocked an i3 4160 paired with a Gtx 970 clocked at 1600 MHz—yes 16, not 15. On air at 1.28vp
, in case you're wondering—for a while, and the only time CPU usage hit 100 percent (or even got near it) was in Battlefield 4 and AC: Unity. In neither case did the frame rate drop below 60 (Vsync at 60Hz). The i5 or i7 really shouldn't be the recommended chip for every person, as they are not needed by most people, and the difference in price is exponentially more than the difference in useful performance. This build was created when I was hurting for money, and is dominating the most demanding of games. The parts I used are as follows:

Motherboard: ASUS H81M-E - $27, Amazon open box
CPU: Core i3 4160 - $130
PSU: EVGA 500B - $48
RAM: GSkill 8 GB 1600 MHz - $48
GPU: Gigabyte Gtx 970 G1 Gaming - $300*
HDD: WD Blue 1TB - $49
Case: NZXT S340 - $80
Fans: Corsair AF 120 Red - $10x2
Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Chroma - $130
Mouse: Razer Deathadder Chroma - $50
Monitor: ASUS V242 - $100
Total: $982

This is what I payed for each component, so you pay more or less depending on sales, new or used, etc. If you want to stretch the budget, and have decided you can benefit from an i5 or i7, then do, just don't feel like it's necessary to make a useable build like it's usually made out to be.

* I bought this open box to save $30 that I then used for Saturday shipping since I was paid on Friday. New price is $330.
Interesting that you spend so much on a mouse and keyboard and skimped so much on the motherboard.
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I wouldn't suggest going with an i3 unless you have very specific thoughts on what games and software you want to run. I definitely don't think an i3 would run some of the more CPU heavy games, or any CPU heavy software. I personally almost always go with Xeons for Intel and Opterons for AMD. The relatively small price difference between a new Core/FX and a used Xeon/Opteron makes it more logical to buy the Xeon/Opteron for the extra performance and features. The Xeon I suggested is only about 140-150 dollars on Ebay, barely more expensive than an i3. There are enterprise grade processors for almost any application, and they can be found used for a good price. For basic usage to moderate gaming, there is the Xeon E3 series, although these are pretty much just highly binned Core chips with ECC. For intense gaming to high demand applications such as video editing or folding, there are the Xeon E5-1600, E5-2600, E5-4600, E7, and 5600 series, although those are older, and the Opterons from AMD. The E5-2600, E5-4600, E7, 5600, and Opteron processors are ideal for applications that demand lots of cores or multiple processors (up to 4 with the E5-4600 series, E7 series, and Opteron). The E3, E5-1600, and 5600 series, as well as the Opterons, are overclockable.
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Interesting that you spend so much on a mouse and keyboard and skimped so much on the motherboard.

I like that he picked a mechanical keyboard but I don't like the pricetag on that one. Can always pick up a mechanical keyboard and gaming mouse later though, the difference isn't that big. (while prioritizing a better cpu/mobo. But for 60fps the picked cpu should be enough in a lot of games)

I do fancy a decent mousemat, though.
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I wouldn't suggest going with an i3 unless you have very specific thoughts on what games and software you want to run. I definitely don't think an i3 would run some of the more CPU heavy games, or any CPU heavy software. I personally almost always go with Xeons for Intel and Opterons for AMD. The relatively small price difference between a new Core/FX and a used Xeon/Opteron makes it more logical to buy the Xeon/Opteron for the extra performance and features. The Xeon I suggested is only about 140-150 dollars on Ebay, barely more expensive than an i3. There are enterprise grade processors for almost any application, and they can be found used for a good price. For basic usage to moderate gaming, there is the Xeon E3 series, although these are pretty much just highly binned Core chips with ECC. For intense gaming to high demand applications such as video editing or folding, there are the Xeon E5-1600, E5-2600, E5-4600, E7, and 5600 series, although those are older, and the Opterons from AMD. The E5-2600, E5-4600, E7, 5600, and Opteron processors are ideal for applications that demand lots of cores or multiple processors (up to 4 with the E5-4600 series, E7 series, and Opteron). The E3, E5-1600, and 5600 series, as well as the Opterons, are overclockable.
I can honestly say I know little to nothing about those types of processors.
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I like that he picked a mechanical keyboard but I don't like the pricetag on that one. Can always pick up a mechanical keyboard and gaming mouse later though, the difference isn't that big. (while prioritizing a better cpu/mobo. But for 60fps the picked cpu should be enough in a lot of games)

I do fancy a decent mousemat, though.
I'd say it'd be a better idea to go from the 970 to either a used 970/780/290/x, up the power supply, and avoid Razer except for maybe a cheap mouse pad. For his build anyways.
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Interesting that you spend so much on a mouse and keyboard and skimped so much on the motherboard.
The mouse and keyboard were purchased separately from the build when I could get more money. I wouldn't call it "skimping" so much as deciding I really don't need front USB 3.0 ports and don't want to spend extra for something I will use a handful of times. It's all about features, as motherboards don't alter performance. The only exception is for the highest of overclocks that use extreme cooling.

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I can honestly say I know little to nothing about those types of processors.
I'd say it'd be a better idea to go from the 970 to either a used 970/780/290/x, up the power supply, and avoid Razer except for maybe a cheap mouse pad. For his build anyways.
The rated wattage of a power supply that is deemed necessary is grossly overstated. The EVGA 500B has handled all my overclocks like a champ, with both the current 970 and the hungry 780 before it. I don't know the purpose for the Razer boycott, but I can say that I love their deathadder. Other mice have styles I find ugly and grips I find awkward. I got the blackwidow because It was cheaper than than the K70 and because I already have the software for it.

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Originally Posted by neo565 View Post

I wouldn't suggest going with an i3 unless you have very specific thoughts on what games and software you want to run. I definitely don't think an i3 would run some of the more CPU heavy games, or any CPU heavy software. I personally almost always go with Xeons for Intel and Opterons for AMD. The relatively small price difference between a new Core/FX and a used Xeon/Opteron makes it more logical to buy the Xeon/Opteron for the extra performance and features. The Xeon I suggested is only about 140-150 dollars on Ebay, barely more expensive than an i3. There are enterprise grade processors for almost any application, and they can be found used for a good price. For basic usage to moderate gaming, there is the Xeon E3 series, although these are pretty much just highly binned Core chips with ECC. For intense gaming to high demand applications such as video editing or folding, there are the Xeon E5-1600, E5-2600, E5-4600, E7, and 5600 series, although those are older, and the Opterons from AMD. The E5-2600, E5-4600, E7, 5600, and Opteron processors are ideal for applications that demand lots of cores or multiple processors (up to 4 with the E5-4600 series, E7 series, and Opteron). The E3, E5-1600, and 5600 series, as well as the Opterons, are overclockable.
You are merely making a guess, and an uneducated one at that. I have much experience with the i3 and know first hand that it handles perfectly fine in all of the latest and greatest games, as I have all of them. I will be upgrading to an i7 for the sole purpose of achieving higher scores on benchmarks purely for having higher scores, as that is the only thing that is lacking. This is a specific use case, and does not change my stance on the i3 being more than enough for the average Joe gamer or PC user. For overclockers that want every point they can get in Firestrike, get the higher end. For professional application users that want everything done as quickly as possible, get the higher end. If you are a gamer looking to save money and still get arguably the same performance in your games, get the i3.
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The mouse and keyboard were purchased separately from the build when I could get more money. I wouldn't call it "skimping" so much as deciding I really don't need front USB 3.0 ports and don't want to spend extra for something I will use a handful of times. It's all about features, as motherboards don't alter performance. The only exception is for the highest of overclocks that use extreme cooling.
The rated wattage of a power supply that is deemed necessary is grossly overstated. The EVGA 500B has handled all my overclocks like a champ, with both the current 970 and the hungry 780 before it. I don't know the purpose for the Razer boycott, but I can say that I love their deathadder. Other mice have styles I find ugly and grips I find awkward. I got the blackwidow because It was cheaper than than the K70 and because I already have the software for it.
You are merely making a guess, and an uneducated one at that. I have much experience with the i3 and know first hand that it handles perfectly fine in all of the latest and greatest games, as I have all of them. I will be upgrading to an i7 for the sole purpose of achieving higher scores on benchmarks purely for having higher scores, as that is the only thing that is lacking. This is a specific use case, and does not change my stance on the i3 being more than enough for the average Joe gamer or PC user. For overclockers that want every point they can get in Firestrike, get the higher end. For professional application users that want everything done as quickly as possible, get the higher end. If you are a gamer looking to save money and still get arguably the same performance in your games, get the i3.
Your choices are your own is the best I can tell you. Past experiences are a good way decide what to buy and not to buy.
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