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Originally Posted by Clocknut View Post

It is likely to be limited to high end chips only or GP204 and above, those low end GPU will still use GDDR5.

Odds are you are right. Low end cards don't need it.

People act as if HBM memory totally destroys GDDR5, it doesn't. Just look at the Fury vs GTX 980Ti/Titan X. GDDR5 based cards are still incredible cards. Are they advantages to HBM over GDDR5? Oh heck yes, lower power, smaller, faster, etc. but it's not like it HBM1 is Gods gift to video cards. Is it the future that everything will eventually move to? Definitely.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 9/22/15 at 4:58am
post #22 of 55
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Originally Posted by EniGma1987 View Post

That was a myth brought on by people here from reading 1 little article without understanding Samsung was already supplying Nvidia with HBM from long before the article surfaced. Mostly just all the people who didnt look at Nvidia's own slides they put out
Get your facts straight Samsung will start the production of HBM chips in 2016

http://news.softpedia.com/news/samsung-confirms-it-will-start-manufacturing-hbm-tech-starting-with-2016-489813.shtml

How is Samsung already supplying Nvidia if they can't?

What you're all forgetting is that AMD already buys HBM chips and uses them in real products.
If the fabs they are using are on schedule there is no way Nvidia will introduce a GPU using HBM2 faster than AMD no matter if it's just a HPC gpu or high end desktop gpu.
Edited by Serios - 9/22/15 at 8:39am
post #23 of 55
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Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

Throw some HBM1 on a 960/70/80 and shove it in a laptop.

I know that's what the 990M is supposed to be for, but seriously, you could solder the package direct to the motherboard like a BGA CPU and pack a heck of a lot of power into a tiny little laptop. 4GB should be plenty for that, and you could probably cut a 980 down to ~125w with the power savings.
Bingo.

HBM will bring massive improvements for the notebook market and APUs should also benefit a lot.
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Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

Throw some HBM1 on a 960/70/80 ...

Who knows, maybe they will put HBM1 on a Maxwll 960/970/980 and call it the R9 961, R9 971, and R9 981 and milk it for another 2.5 years. biggrin.gif
post #25 of 55
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Originally Posted by PirateZ View Post

Do you have a source?

Source on which part? Nvidia showed off a prototype pascal chip with HBM that was going through validation and was talking about stacked DRAM with Volta before Pascal ever came to be, and Nvidia's own slides said Samsung at the bottom in small print for some of their HBM stuff as where they would be buying chips from. First nvidia started talking about memory cube's because they wanted to use Crucial's tech, but then it didn't come around fast enough so Nvidia switched to HBM from Samsung and Hynix. Go look up their slides and the presentation chip. Samsung logo was in the bottom left corner of the slide they were listed from what I remember. That was back like almost a year ago though so you might be searching through slides for a while.

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Get you facts straight Samsung will start the production of HBM chips in 2016

http://news.softpedia.com/news/samsung-confirms-it-will-start-manufacturing-hbm-tech-starting-with-2016-489813.shtml

How is Samsung already supplying Nvidia if they can't?

What you're all forgetting is that AMD already buys HBM chips and uses them in real products.
If the fabs they are using are on schedule there is no way Nvidia will introduce a GPU using HBM2 faster than AMD no matter if it's just a HPC gpu or high end desktop gpu.


Dude.... Do you not have any idea how the semiconductor manufacturing process works? These people don't just come up with a product and say go and then magically products start flying off production lines. Product tech gets sampled and validated LONG before production ramps up.
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If we go by that AMD was probably testing HBM samples before Nvidia even knew what HBM is.
And you think is such a big deal that Nvidia got a few sample from Samsung when most likely they weren't even the only ones getting samples anyway.

Funny how some like to show Samsung and Nvidia like being very close when not long ago Nvidia was suing Samsung and demanding they stop shipping smartphones to the US.
Edited by Serios - 9/22/15 at 8:48am
post #27 of 55
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I wouldn't put it past nV to mount 8 HBM1 on a poser and run a fake 2048 bit wide bus with a 1024 bit wide controller. Whatever they release will be 12.2/12.0 compliant and run faster than a 970. Since the 980/970/X arent even fully 12.0 compliant they'll disable the software work-arounds for unsupported features and leave all you poor ducks who bought lies to buy new $500 cards.




To you nutbags that think nV is winning OR that intel and nV control the standards; AMD is about to change the way computers work AGAIN. intel and nV have had very very little input this time.

That article is full of "dominance talk" but is total BS. AMD removed north-bridge/south-bridge. AMD implemented hypertransport. AMD implemented sub-core. AMD made the first APU's. AMD made DX12 happen and provided 60+% of the code for it. AMD proved HBM to the market. AMD was the first to near linear performance from multiple cards. AMD was the first to six cores.

If AMD hadn't kicked intel's kanasta in court, nVidia wouldn't have even existed. AMD is responsible directly or through their actions for 75% of what we have in our boxes today.

Don't believe me? Look up BTX. Read up on the fight 3Dfx had with intel over SLi that AMD sent lawyers to help 3Dfx win.

 

How much was your PR consultation fee again? Because I'm not sure I'd want to pay it if I were AMD.

 

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If we go by that AMD was probably testing HBM samples before Nvidia even knew what HBM is.
And you think is such a big deal that Nvidia got a few sample from Samsung when most likely they weren't even the only ones getting samples anyway.

Funny how some like to show Samsung and Nvidia like being very close when not long ago Nvidia was suing Samsung and demanding they stop shipping smartphones to the US.
 
There isn't a person here that is claiming that both of those companies are close to each other. Companies litigate each other every day, despite those same companies doing business behind that lawsuit. AMD probably was testing HBM samples before Nvidia. But it is a very much guarantee that both companies have known what HBM memory is in the first place. The idea of 3D stacked memory isn't exactly a mind-blowing revelation. And has been there in the academic field for quite some time.

Edited by Kinaesthetic - 9/22/15 at 8:56am
post #28 of 55
The thing is HBM was specifically developed by AMD.
Nvidia most likely had proper access to HBM after it became a standard.
post #29 of 55
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If we go by that AMD was probably testing HBM samples before Nvidia even knew what HBM is.
And you think is such a big deal that Nvidia got a few sample from Samsung when most likely they weren't even the only ones getting samples anyway.

Funny how some like to show Samsung and Nvidia like being very close when not long ago Nvidia was suing Samsung and demanding they stop shipping smartphones to the US.

Never once did I say AMD never got samples long before as well, you simply assume I am saying things. It also seems like you don't know that AMD helped and was a primary designer of HBM... So yes of course they had samples long before any other company on the planet. AMD was working on HBM 10 years ago even. They had samples of the early prototypes before the product could even really be called working samples tongue.gif
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post #30 of 55
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Samsung was already supplying Nvidia with HBM
I don't jump to any conclusions, you are simply wrong, Samsung was not SUPPLYING Nvidia whit HBM, some samples here and there can't be considered "supplying", Hynix is supplying AMD whit HBM right now for example.
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