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AMD has a large supply of Fiji 175 watt because of its volatility in industrial, scientific, and private company markets. It's enthusiast variant of Fiji is not wanted by these markets due to lesser efficiency, hence AMD is stockpiling what it will sell the most of. They also can create a market bubble by creating short supply and remain relatively unaffected. Really, Nano is a better card, far and wide than Fury X. They obviously must deal with HBM in short supply and their biggest consumers come first.
    
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AMD has a large supply of Fiji 175 watt because of its volatility in industrial, scientific, and private company markets. It's enthusiast variant of Fiji is not wanted by these markets due to lesser efficiency, hence AMD is stockpiling what it will sell the most of. They also can create a market bubble by creating short supply and remain relatively unaffected. Really, Nano is a better card, far and wide than Fury X. They obviously must deal with HBM in short supply and their biggest consumers come first.

They already experienced the bubble first-hand when everybody was out of stock of 290s and 290Xs when the mining craze peaked. It was good short-term but terrible long-term. As for why Fiji is in such short supply, there are three integrated circuits that could be the culprit. First, the GPU itself, a 596mm2 monster that's practically at TSMC's limits. Second, the HBM itself, the memory chips. And third, the silicon interposer for HBM. It's surprisingly complicated for what it is, using a 65nm process to build it. Granted, it has no logic and is in effect an ultra-precise circuit board, but it is a new method of doing things.

Fury X is basically the same as a 980Ti. It's slower by a few percentage points, which is overall negligible. For the same price however, it includes a liquid cooler. In terms of value I'd say they're about equal. Power consumption and efficiency? Oh, please, who actually cares? That's always cited on enthusiast forums, but I never see it affect purchasing decisions with few exceptions. Those are primarily the small systems that things like the R9 Nano are targeting when it actually matters.
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I'm thinking many that trade AMD may eye this as a Short sell bonanza, and everyone seems to be trying to ride this train to the bottom. 11M trades seems like alot of speculation...and I doubt most of it is UP.

post #14 of 24
Another AMD doom and gloom thread rolleyes.gif. Can't go a month without one i guess.

Wonder which website will do one next month, and the month after and the mon.... you get it.
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post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by iinversion View Post

Lol I wish that were true.

Their chips IPC is on basically on with Penryn +/- 5% but can OC much farther.

OC'd vs OC'd they are still behind Nehalem..
I think he's speaking of the zen one biggrin.gif
But more seriously it's a good time for sammy or microsoft to make an offer.
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They already experienced the bubble first-hand when everybody was out of stock of 290s and 290Xs when the mining craze peaked. It was good short-term but terrible long-term. As for why Fiji is in such short supply, there are three integrated circuits that could be the culprit. First, the GPU itself, a 596mm2 monster that's practically at TSMC's limits. Second, the HBM itself, the memory chips. And third, the silicon interposer for HBM. It's surprisingly complicated for what it is, using a 65nm process to build it. Granted, it has no logic and is in effect an ultra-precise circuit board, but it is a new method of doing things.

Fury X is basically the same as a 980Ti. It's slower by a few percentage points, which is overall negligible. For the same price however, it includes a liquid cooler. In terms of value I'd say they're about equal. Power consumption and efficiency? Oh, please, who actually cares? That's always cited on enthusiast forums, but I never see it affect purchasing decisions with few exceptions. Those are primarily the small systems that things like the R9 Nano are targeting when it actually matters.

I agree with you in principle, in that power consumption and efficiency seems to be a staple talking point when comparing nVidia and AMD cards, and when every other comparison fails, efficiency and the tried and true "but drivers!" always gets thrown out to prove some sort of superiority.

Now with that being said, while I don't give a damn about power consumption insofar as how many watts the GPU is pulling from the wall, I do care about it to the extent that higher power consumption translates to more heat, and gaming with a 500-600W space heater right beside me isn't a very comfortable experience, especially during the summer months. (both of my 970s are overclocked to the hilt, and it seems they pull around 200W each on average, with less demanding games going as low as 170W, and games like BF4 pulling almost 250W each! eek.gif)

So, if two GPUs offer similar performance, and one uses 50W less power, everything else being equal (which we know never happens), I'll probably favor the one that uses less power. But only to the extent that it puts out less heat, not because of some "it's 2015, you should try to conserve energy" or "go green!" tree-hugging BS.
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Yeah, not falling for this again.

Bought a bunch at 1.97 and thought "how much worse can it get anyway" - Oh man, how wrong was I.

Not going to buy anymore nor sell before 2016.
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Took me a few minutes to come up with an exact number but I have lost 23,336.64 USD thinking like that quoted piece of the source. Just sayin'. mad.gif

edit - Doesn't include trading commissions.

Sounds like you are a pretty large trader, so I'm not sure it would be the best for you. But there is an app called RobinHood for iOS and now Android (finally!) but it is basically totally free trading. I've been using it for about 9 months now. I am no day trader but I have used all the popular websites, and it seems to have everything you need for a mainstream trading program. You should check it out.thumb.gif
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Yeah, not falling for this again.

Bought a bunch at 1.97 and thought "how much worse can it get anyway" - Oh man, how wrong was I.

Not going to buy anymore nor sell before 2016.

Well it did go up by 30% at the end of July due to I think news about consoles in China. Was actually a pretty good opportunity to get out with a small profit (or small loss) and not become a bagholder. Btw I dumped all my shares after Fury X's launch and man I'm glad I did.
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Well it did go up by 30% at the end of July due to I think news about consoles in China. Was actually a pretty good opportunity to get out with a small profit (or small loss) and not become a bagholder. Btw I dumped all my shares after Fury X's launch and man I'm glad I did.

Yeah, when I logged into my bank and saw my portfolio at $1.79 I almost had an heart attack.

Missed my oportunity and now just need to hope for 2016. (Or if it by some miracle goes up to 2.28 Im dropping all of mine as well)
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