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For a century we have done research into evolution and there is still no evidence as to how the eye came about, nor how organisms were created in the first place. The second law of thermodynamics states clearly that it's not possible. Darwin knew he was making nonsense up but the double think was enormously strong in him, far stronger than it is in me so I reject the religion of Darwinism.

We are not discussing religion, there was a discussion on the methods in which alien life might communicate but so many are constrained by our lack of knowledge about the universe and even ourselves that they think everything must be within the limits of speed of light or our (mis)understanding of the laws of the universe. Thus it's possible that there is life out there that communicates telepathically at either speeds that we can't comprehend or they just bend space/time to their will.

The second law of thermodynamics does not state anything of the sort. Localized areas of low entropy is possible as long as the system's entropy is increasing overall. In the case of planet Earth, the Solar System itself is the entire system, and Earth is a localized area of low entropy. In the case of organisms, the cells create low entropy internally by increasing entropy of the environment. A/C units also work on the same principle.
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For a century we have done research into evolution and there is still no evidence as to how the eye came about, nor how organisms were created in the first place. The second law of thermodynamics states clearly that it's not possible. Darwin knew he was making nonsense up but the double think was enormously strong in him, far stronger than it is in me so I reject the religion of Darwinism.

We are not discussing religion, there was a discussion on the methods in which alien life might communicate but so many are constrained by our lack of knowledge about the universe and even ourselves that they think everything must be within the limits of speed of light or our (mis)understanding of the laws of the universe. Thus it's possible that there is life out there that communicates telepathically at either speeds that we can't comprehend or they just bend space/time to their will.


Use your train of thought about us not being able to comprehend how aliens would communicate but for why we don't know how eyes are made, just because we don't know of it yet doesn't me there isn't a reason for the things that happen, who knows it may take a few hundred years or even more because some of these questions are answered, We can only go on what we have, which is exactly what he did. I'm not saying his theory is 100% correct, but its not 100% wrong either because there is still more to discover.
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Kind of scary. What if all background noise is actually aleins communications.


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It's neither. Gravity isn't a force at all.
What we perceive as gravity, is merely all matter following the curve of space-time.
There's an excellent series on Youtube, that explains in in great detail, but also in such a way that almost anyone can understand it.

I watched that video and it all went over my head. That video really made me feel stupid, yet he talks like it's common knowledge.

The best part of the video is when he says "we're going to take it slow" yet speed talks through the whole thing.
Edited by aweir - 9/23/15 at 2:19pm
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For a century we have done research into evolution and there is still no evidence as to how the eye came about, nor how organisms were created in the first place.

There is more about existence that we do not know than which we do. Like I keep saying, we're egotistical and vain monkey beings not far removed from animal wildlife. We like to think we're some supreme intelligent beings but yeah, nope. Not there yet.

As for evolution of the eye... we have recently observed a regression with blind cave fish directly related to cave fish that have eyes... in nutrition rich environment, there is plenty of excess energy... but in a nutrition poor environment, the fish appear to have lost both it's eyes and visual cortex and the thought is that it taxes so much extra energy that in situations where a sense is no longer needed, it'll regress so that the organism will have better odds of surviving.

As for how organisms are created in the first place? We can take base elements and create amino acids... in all the tests we've been able to do almost everything except adding thousands or maybe even hundreds of millions of years to take those starter compounds and eventually create what appears to be blankets of bacteria you'd see in stagnant water. I believe it's in Australia where they found some of those bulbous matted surfaces from the proper time period.

As for believing how it happened.... Divinity, random chance or seeded. Seeded could be natural galactic methods like they're starting to actually see or by "God" or alien. By natural methods, I'm not just talking about potentially riding on icy passengers, but it appears that at least bacteria may survive deep space encapsulated by metal or stone. Bacteria has been found like what, 10 miles into the crust? Plankton forming on the outside window of the ISS? There is still a lot of possibility that we are just not yet sure of. A lot of wild ideas but not a lot of myths busted.

edit: I forgot to add comet Philae appears to have lots of organic matter as well,

I'm still waiting on more info from that and ISS Plankton stories....
Edited by xenophobe - 9/23/15 at 5:28pm
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Yes he does, he just needs one Hellfire in his face so we can go believe the next Dubaya when he says "Trust me, Iraq has mobile chemical labs." Who cares the NSA spies on us or the US government has branded people missing a finger as terrorist? It doesn't bother me.

Who doesn't love double speak?

My point is that if this had been said by this guy:



we'd still have a thread on it, but it would be a very different context.

This pretty much confirms my theory, that Snowden broke his oath and betrayed his country so that he could be a famous counterculture personality. Put simply, he sold out.
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My point is that if this had been said by this guy:



we'd still have a thread on it, but it would be a very different context.

Pffft. That guy is a nut job.

If he had a thread like this, it would be like this.... he'd be mocked and ignored and we'd continue having a meaningful discussion. lol
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What if all background noise is actually aliens communications.
Nope. Background noise is actually what helped create the universe as we know it.
The same SpaceTime dude has an explanation for this.
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I watched that video and it all went over my head. That video really made me feel stupid, yet he talks like it's common knowledge.

The best part of the video is when he says "we're going to take it slow" yet speed talks through the whole thing.

Lol, yeah, he does that.
Watch and rewatch enough vids like that, and you'll start to get it.
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There is more about existence that we do not know than which we do. Like I keep saying, we're egotistical and vain monkey beings not far removed from animal wildlife. We like to think we're some supreme intelligent beings but yeah, nope. Not there yet.

As for evolution of the eye... we have recently observed a regression with blind cave fish directly related to cave fish that have eyes... in nutrition rich environment, there is plenty of excess energy... but in a nutrition poor environment, the fish appear to have lost both it's eyes and visual cortex and the thought is that it taxes so much extra energy that in situations where a sense is no longer needed, it'll regress so that the organism will have better odds of surviving.

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Creating amino acids does not mean creating life and creating lots of them does not somehow form even a single living cell. Even an amoeba is far more complex than you obviously imagine.

In a selfish, arrogant, vain and brutal society people see the world as selfish, arrogant, vain and animalistic, when in fact animals are not as selfish or brutal as us. A dog will nurse another dogs pups, a cat will come to the rescue of a child, a dog will go to the grave of its master for years and sit there all day, a lioness will raise the cubs of a tigress. Humans on the other hand are far removed from this, if we were as nice as these animals we wouldn't have Cinderella for one.

Natural selection can only happen when there is something to select from, it does not create something new and the lack of eyes in nutrition low environment is natural. Place a baby in a dark room and it will go blind, this is not evolution, this is epigenetics.
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Creating amino acids does not mean creating life and creating lots of them does not somehow form even a single living cell. Even an amoeba is far more complex than you obviously imagine.

Wow, did you not comprehend what I wrote? lol

I thought we were having a discussion, not an idealistic argument. Everything I stated was factual. lol

And you prove my point about egotistical monkey being. You're basing your conclusions off what you do not know.

Sorry, I can be an ass.

I'll reiterate what I said in my last post very simply.

We don't know how life started. All you can do is guess and look at various facts. We don't have a time machine and can't observe.

How did the eye develop? We don't know. Apparently you did not even read the recent news of the blind cave fish. Apparently an abundance of nutrients were around to allow for nature to do crazy things. The eyes did not stop working, they mostly disappeared along with the portion of the brain called the visual cortex that did disappear. It certainly appears the recent REGRESSION, not evolution or natural selection, is actually observed nearlly side by side in nature. Take the results for whatever you idealistically want, it's not proof of anything it's just a real life example of cause / effect.

How did life start here? WE DON'T KNOW. Life is a bit more versatile than we have previously thought. It can exist 10 miles into the crust. It can exist on the exterior surface of an object in low Earth orbit. It apparently might exist on comets. Or at least complex organic material. Those are FACTS.
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Until and if contact is made one day everything is up in the air. Once that happens the correct peices will fall into place.

Until then we can speculate and here's my speculation.



1) We could be the furthest ahead of anyone, having been "older than us doesn't mean that they are ahead" There are plenty of lifeforms on earth that have existed for 100000000X the duration of mankind and are dumb as ****. So that means we will be the ones going out there and finding them.


2) They came up evolved and died or killed each other.


3) They are already here, and I'll let you think about this for a second, How many times does the military send in scouts etc to hide and spy? How many spies are there? IF the aliens were here and had the means to travel the distances they have then surely they can hide among us without detection just like our own military does.

4) The amount of crap and bs and things a civilization has to endure just to reach our level is so insane it's not just merely that life can exsist but can it survive? All of man's wars,countries,beliefs etc and the thousands of years and wars but we are still here. All events have to shape into the possibility of survival of the species or say bye bye.

5) Communication, I really do not understand why "radio" is the chosen method because it's far far far too slow for interstellar communication and when we do one day goto the stars we will not be using it at all because it would not work. You can't wait 1 year for a ship 1 light year away to send a message. There has to be better faster more instant ways and that could be something that the aliens are using that we cannot yet see or intercept.


6) Just to build and do something is not easy, if after all the bs your civilization survives and your laws and beliefs let you build, Now you have to build upon many technologies from communication, to medical, to propulsion and computers and many many many many more to just put a vessel together and go explore.


More to come if I have smile.gif


I don't understand why we sell our self's short, Humans have accomplished a GREAT Deal in a very short amount of time and right now I'd bet we would be the ones who would venture out first and find others who are behind us. But I do not discount the possibility that others exists that are superior to us.
Edited by nyxagamemnon - 9/23/15 at 6:51pm
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