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The problem I see is implementing it. The drive is sideways, so heatsinks attached with pads and paste can fall off. It is also a very thin and fragile pcb. If it accidently cracks, you lose everything. Lack of thermal control and robustness make me feel uneasy.

Don't get me wrong, with a little creativity you can cool your drive (which imo should be a must), but I think Samsung and others should have thought a little more about their design, considering this is marketted specifically at consumers. Look at Intel's engineering approach. Built like a brick and has a giant heatsink built in. I have the 2.5" version and mounting at the front gives you an even larger heatsink because it is now making contact with the metal chassis. There is also almost always a fan at the front of a case, providing active airflow.
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I don't really see how it is "easy" to cool an M.2 drive. So far we've seen thermal pads, which is awkward and might block the slot, and watercooling, which is absurd.
The slots on many motherboards are recessed and can it can be hard to get airflow to the drive. A pci-e add in adapter is right next to the gpu and adds no heatsinking since the drive is floating.

The water cooling is not absurd in my opinion. It gets the job done and looks great.

In my ASRock Z97 Extreme9 board, there are plenty of empty PCI slots and I can afford to lose one to cool the 950 Pro in the ultra M.2 slot.

There are plenty of passive cooling options which easily mount to the SSD. Enzotech has some very nice solutions:
http://www.enzotechnology.com/air_cooling.htm

If you look on eBay, some of these same heat sinks are modified with active cooling:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-2-Heatsink-Set-100-Forged-Copper-With-Micro-Fan-/231485181330?hash=item35e5978d92:g:RUEAAOSwYGFUsDZQ

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M.2 by itself is just a bad design for desktop use.

M.2 allow us to have a super fast storage solution (up to 32 Gbps max in its current implementation) which I'm happy we have access to. Rigging up a bit of cooling is not very hard and is part of the fun of working on our systems.
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Do you think these would be appropriate? If not anyone got a better suggestion? I can't seem to find any good ones.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=24256&cPath=314
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Originally Posted by Armxnian View Post

I don't really see how it is "easy" to cool an M.2 drive. So far we've seen thermal pads, which is awkward and might block the slot, and watercooling, which is absurd.

Thermal pads aren't awkward and won't block the slot.

If for some reason you are adverse to them and you have any clearance what so ever, you can use a heatsink.
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I have a 950 Pro 512 on pre order via Amazon.

I see a LOT of talk about thermal pads, heat and subsequent throttling, but I have to question if it's REALLY necessary. From what I've gathered the only times they started to run into issues was with constant repeated badgering via benchmarking. Under normal usage, being used as a boot disk only and thus just program access and some minor stuff, my suspicion is that these will encounter no issues in terms of heat.
   
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I have a 950 Pro 512 on pre order via Amazon.

I see a LOT of talk about thermal pads, heat and subsequent throttling, but I have to question if it's REALLY necessary. From what I've gathered the only times they started to run into issues was with constant repeated badgering via benchmarking. Under normal usage, being used as a boot disk only and thus just program access and some minor stuff, my suspicion is that these will encounter no issues in terms of heat.

Agreed. It's worth noting that throttling only starts to occur after about 1 minute of saturated writes at 1.5+GB/s. Something that isn't likely to occur for most users on this forum.
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real-world usage can't even saturate the bandwidth of that thing, the only thing that can exceed 1GB/s is when RAM and SSD tries to communicate with each other.
otherwise, you need a 10Gigabit Network, or a RAID0 SATA SSD to even manage to match it up to it's rated speed, its like trying to use a ferrari on a 40mph road.

don't get me wrong though, even if the SSD is far over practical use, the overall higher IOPS is still there, and its fairly noticeable during general usages.
Edited by epic1337 - 10/27/15 at 6:17am
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Originally Posted by Fast93bird View Post

I have a 950 Pro 512 on pre order via Amazon.

I see a LOT of talk about thermal pads, heat and subsequent throttling, but I have to question if it's REALLY necessary. From what I've gathered the only times they started to run into issues was with constant repeated badgering via benchmarking. Under normal usage, being used as a boot disk only and thus just program access and some minor stuff, my suspicion is that these will encounter no issues in terms of heat.

What's normal usage for you may not be normal usage for others.

The kind of usage you mention hardly justifies a high-end SSD at all. Those who will really put these drives to use are likely to encounter thermal throttling on uncooled drives rather frequently.
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Agreed. It's worth noting that throttling only starts to occur after about 1 minute of saturated writes at 1.5+GB/s. Something that isn't likely to occur for most users on this forum.

Most users on this forum would be hard pressed to tell the difference between one of these 950 PROs and a Crucial M4 refurb that could be had for 1/5th the price.
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Well, the arrival of the Pro has brought the price of the intel 750 down, too late for me though...still
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What temperature do you think this will get to if you put games on the 950 Pro and play it from the SSD or installing new games onto it.
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