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There are components between the motherboard and the drive. Uneven surface. There is basically no contact if you put a thermal pad. If there is, then the components are absorbing the heat. 6 watts is a lot of power for a small capacitor to dissipate.

It's a stupid design for desktop use. You shouldn't need to jury-rig an ssd so it performs.

Thermal pads are compressible, and you will be conducting heat into the motherboard, which is very thermally conductive itself, and able to handle far more than 6w of heat. The motherboard is the primary heatsink for most components mounted to it. Another 6w is trivial.

The M.2 SSD's temperature goes down 20-40C, and the components directly under the pad opposite it will see a few C rise at most.

These devices get hot because they are isolated and have very low surface area. By the time the heat reaches the board, it's already been spread to quadruple the area of the controller...one quarter the heat density.
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The tallest component under the drive will be the only component that gets contact with the pad if there is no pressure.

It doesn't take much pressure for a stack of relatively stiff thermal pads to conform well and softer pads need almost none. Most of the contact, even with an area riddled with surface mount components, is with the motherboard's PCB. Even if it were not (which would only happen if you used something that would more properly be called a shim than a pad), the heat density is already so low that temperature rise for any given point of contact would be negligible.
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It might have worked with that specific motherboard, doesn't mean it will with all.

It worked with zero issues on both my X99 OC Forumula and my X99 SOC Champion. These are highly representative samples and the same method will work on any board that has a horizontal M.2.

Vertical M.2 devices tend to have more clearance for a heatsink, which is what I'd use in those cases.
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Wasn't planning on upgrading, just wondering how the drive would be cooled. I nearly had to break my motherboard trying to screw down my hyper kit. If I had the 950, thermal pads wouldn't work, I would have to use another method.

If you are talking about the X99 Sabretooth, thermal pads absolutely will work on that setup. There will be no risk to or excessive increase in temperature for any board component, while the SSD will see a 20C+ lower temps, easily. No excessive pressure would be needed.
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The screw on some units (including mine) is too short. If there is any vertical rise in the drive then forget about attaching it to the board. What would probably work is to get some adhesive thermal pads, since the plastic underneath is flat and would provide good contact.
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The screw on some units (including mine) is too short. If there is any vertical rise in the drive then forget about attaching it to the board. What would probably work is to get some adhesive thermal pads, since the plastic underneath is flat and would provide good contact.

You can't just use a longer screw?
     
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The screw on some units (including mine) is too short. If there is any vertical rise in the drive then forget about attaching it to the board. What would probably work is to get some adhesive thermal pads, since the plastic underneath is flat and would provide good contact.

There shouldn't be any vertical rise in the drive. If there is, your pad stack is too high or the pads you are using are too stiff.

The SSD should be able to slide into the M.2 slot at a very shallow angle with minimal difficulty and firm, but gentle, pressure should compress the pads to good contact while making the drive completely flush with the mounting standoff.

You don't need a pad that extends the full length of the drive. The NAND produces almost no heat; it's the controller, or the area directly on the opposite side of the SSD's PCB from the controller, that benefits most from cooling.

This was my original setup on my other X99 board: http://cdn.overclock.net/5/55/5516bf99_PZaWKuR.jpeg

Those pads are on the stiff side for this application, but it worked quite well, also with a very short screw.
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You can't just use a longer screw?

If you need that much pressure to secure it, you risk damaging the drive or the M.2 connector.
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The screw on some units (including mine) is too short. If there is any vertical rise in the drive then forget about attaching it to the board. What would probably work is to get some adhesive thermal pads, since the plastic underneath is flat and would provide good contact.

There shouldn't be any vertical rise in the drive. If there is, your pad stack is too high or the pads you are using are too stiff.

The SSD should be able to slide into the M.2 slot at a very shallow angle with minimal difficulty and firm, but gentle, pressure should compress the pads to good contact while making the drive completely flush with the mounting standoff.

You don't need a pad that extends the full length of the drive. The NAND produces almost no heat; it's the controller, or the area directly on the opposite side of the SSD's PCB from the controller, that benefits most from cooling.

This was my original setup on my other X99 board: http://cdn.overclock.net/5/55/5516bf99_PZaWKuR.jpeg

Those pads are on the stiff side for this application, but it worked quite well, also with a very short screw.
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You can't just use a longer screw?

If you need that much pressure to secure it, you risk damaging the drive or the M.2 connector.

I never said anything about adding more pressure. Armxnian said the screw was too short to reach the threads if there was a thermal pad underneath. A longer screw would allow the threads to engage. It wouldn't be necessary to over-tighten the screw, thus increasing the pressure on the board. In fact, if the screw was long enough, it may bottom out, preventing over-tightening.
     
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I never said anything about adding more pressure. Armxnian said the screw was too short to reach the threads if there was a thermal pad underneath. A longer screw would allow the threads to engage. It wouldn't be necessary to over-tighten the screw, thus increasing the pressure on the board. In fact, if the screw was long enough, it may bottom out, preventing over-tightening.

The drive should be flush with the standoff before trying to screw it down. Indeed, they aren't even supposed to be inserted at an angle.

If you need a longer screw for the threads to engaged, something is not right.
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Is placing heatsinks on the top, and leaving the underside bare, no thermal pads, good enough?
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You can't just use a longer screw?
Sure you can; if you find one that is the correct length, has the same threading, and has a head that is a big enough diameter to hold the pcb down.

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There shouldn't be any vertical rise in the drive. If there is, your pad stack is too high or the pads you are using are too stiff.
The x99 sabertooth has thermal armor. Any m.2 drive is flat against that thermal armor. There is no room to spare. Adding pads under will cause the drive to bow when you tighten the screw and increase pressure on that screw, and it will come off, because it is barely attached to begin with.

Just another potential problem. Intel's design is plug and play and provides ample cooling and robustness.
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Is placing heatsinks on the top, and leaving the underside bare, no thermal pads, good enough?

Yes, more than good enough, in fact that would probably offer even better cooling. However, on many motherboards a heatsink on top might interact badly with the GPU so you would need to be careful with the heatsink's height and placement.
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The x99 sabertooth has thermal armor. Any m.2 drive is flat against that thermal armor. There is no room to spare.

You don't need any extra room because the pads go between the motherboard and the SSD, not the thermal armor's cover and the SSD.
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Adding pads under will cause the drive to bow when you tighten the screw

My dive is not bowed, at all, and I am already using the stiffest pads I would ever recommend.
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Intel's design is plug and play and provides ample cooling and robustness.

Well, it is a PCI-E device.
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