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Kind of like laptops huh?

I got my laptop refurbed for 500CDN + tax. I would never pay what they were asking original price.
 
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I for one am hoping the release of their next big GPU isn't until late 2016 so that there can be at least a small $25 or $50 price cut on the current line up.
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I for one am hoping the release of their next big GPU isn't until late 2016 so that there can be at least a small $25 or $50 price cut on the current line up.
Ehm... what would be the point, you can get a used GPU for bigger price difference than 25/50$. And nVidia maximum price drop they would probably do is 20$ for the 970/980/980 Ti. Just so they can say "Hey, big price cuts, come get more now!", while in fact not reducing much their flow of cash.
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From what i meant, Hynix are busy making the HBMs for AMD, and nVidia will have to wait for their turn, since the order is still going.

Can we stop with this nonsense? Business world doesn't work like this, they will make and ship HBM chips to whoever sells more cards, it's is that simple. No sane memory company in the world would deny NVidia access to their memory chips.
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Can we stop with this nonsense? Business world doesn't work like this, they will make and ship HBM chips to whoever sells more cards, it's is that simple. No sane memory company in the world would deny NVidia access to their memory chips.

How about read my comment following this post : http://www.overclock.net/t/1574604/various-nvidia-pascal-gp100-spotted-in-transit-being-moved-to-testing-phase/30#post_24442430
Also, even if you have more money to offer, if you decide to break a contract, with to whom you first have deliver those HBM's, i think you will be in trouble , no ?
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Can we stop with this nonsense? Business world doesn't work like this, they will make and ship HBM chips to whoever sells more cards, it's is that simple. No sane memory company in the world would deny NVidia access to their memory chips.

Nah, they'd rather serve the company with 20% market share, instead of those other guys who require more volume. Priorities you know?
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They will start out conservative. They have to leave room for a future product and the faster these perform, the less room for the future. I could see these chips being 300mm to 350mm2. If they are stuck another 4 years at this node again, they will be their biggest competition I have a feeling. Unless there is a remarkable improvement in AMD finances, they are unlikely to be able to afford a double architecture launch like Nvidia and I think we will see rebrands for AMD 16nm chips as well. Tape out are simply too expensive and nvidia too will try to milk the next node.

The simplification of the memory controller should allow nvidia to allocate another 20% more shaders to other components like shaders, alu and ROPs. AMD was able to shave what could have been a double sized or 700mm chip based on the double the component transition from fiji to tonga( 360mm chip size) down to 600mm2. This means AMD was able to allocate or shrink their die 16.7% from the HBM memory controller simplification. Since Nvidia's memory controller is larger than AMD's generally so if these transition over to nvidia chip, I could see about a 20% savings in die area. With the double packing of the transistor density from going to 16nm, a 300mm2 chip could fit 20% more components and a 350mm2 die could fit about 40% more components. Thus for a gm204 part, 400mm2 die would hardly be necessary. Such a die i am guessing could fit about 60% more components. At this point, it could very well turn into be gp210.

A 400mm2 die with HBM2 at 16nm is atleast the same cost as a 600mm 28nm die and is likely more expensive to make. I don't think Nvidia is going to release 600mm2 any time soon(next 2 years). AMD is struggling with a very mature 28nm at making such chips. Although Nvidia has more experience designing monolithic chips, it doesn't make sense to make such monster dies when the cost for 16nm finfet chips are so prohibitive due to the wafer cost doubling.

You dont need small die to milk for 2 years. All u need is to release a cut down GP100 first, den rls a full blown GP200 next year. Den Volta the following year. There u have ur full 2 years cycle to rls.


2016 Q2 - GP 100 cut down
2016 Q3 - GP 104
2016 Q4 - GP 106 / 7

2 Q to clear inventory

2017 Q2 - GP 200 full blown
2017 Q3 - GP 200 cut down

etc.


I believe this will be a good cycle to keep its milking for considerable amount of time.


And if GP104 is 400mm sq, u can effectively pack 4096 cores inside. Bringing performance 60% (33% from core, 20% from performance + better DP/MP + HBM2 changes) above Titan X is not impossible.
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They will of cause milk on every level! :)  Most of us are more interested in the $500-600 GP104 and not the $1200-1500 GP100, although i will probably skip first gen Pascal. I also think 300mm will be enough for 20-25 % faster chip than gm200, but using more areal for 4k improvements, could make 4k around 35-50 % faster. This help sell 4k monitors and seed the marked for future GPU upgrades. Clever dudes! 

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Can we stop with this nonsense? Business world doesn't work like this, they will make and ship HBM chips to whoever sells more cards, it's is that simple. No sane memory company in the world would deny NVidia access to their memory chips.

Exactly.

Even if AMD has "priority" over everyone else with HBM1 and 2, the simple fact of the matter is, unless AMD is going to buy ALL the stock from the makers, the other companies will get stock. AMD can't buy it all up, they don't have the market share to actually USE all the memory and they don't have the money to just buy it up and memory block nVidia.

I really wish people would stop insinuating things like "But, but, but, AMD has a deal and nVidia won't get any", they just don't know what the heck they are talking about. They should remain silent instead of saying tripe like that and make themselves look the fool.
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Exactly.

Even if AMD has "priority" over everyone else with HBM1 and 2, the simple fact of the matter is, unless AMD is going to buy ALL the stock from the makers, the other companies will get stock. AMD can't buy it all up, they don't have the market share to actually USE all the memory and they don't have the money to just buy it up and memory block nVidia.

I really wish people would stop insinuating things like "But, but, but, AMD has a deal and nVidia won't get any", they just don't know what the heck they are talking about. They should remain silent instead of saying tripe like that and make themselves look the fool.
You are saying it like AMD need only 1 million HBM and nVidia needs 100 millions. AMD will move their entire GPU line to use HBM, nVidia - not everything most probably.
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