Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Software News › [TweakTown] Valve isn't excited over DX12, but talks up the Vulkan API
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[TweakTown] Valve isn't excited over DX12, but talks up the Vulkan API - Page 13

post #121 of 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by N3G4T1v3 View Post

I don't get this argument, Devs are still releasing the same games on PS4 and XB1, so there you already break the convenience of DX12 and XB1. Also as hard as MS is trying to shove 10 down everyones throat, not everyone will be on 10, so devs will need to still include DX11 backward compatibility if they want to include those customers, so Vulkan still makes sense to use, even in cross windows compatibility.

While I don't expect DX to loose popularity over night, I really hope that Vulkan takes away a chunk of the DX market share in the coming years


Xbox 1 is using a DX12 variant, making the PS4 an odd one out.

So if you have 3 platforms to develop for, and 2 of them are already using similar API's...why would the optimal solution just be "screw it all, I'll use Vulcan for PC, DX12 for X1, (Insert name of API) for PS4
Main Rig
(13 items)
 
Secondary Rig
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k MSI Z77A-GD65 Gigabyte 780 OC Gigabyte 780 OC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Ripjaw  Samsung F3  Samsung 830  Asus CD-Rom 
CoolingMonitorMonitorPower
Cooler master hyper 212+  Asus  27in 1440p Auria EQ276W 760 Watt Silencer 
Case
Haf 912 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k ASRock Z77 Pro4-M 290 XFX DD R9 280X Gigabyte 
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
R9 280X MSI Gaming R9 280X Power Cooler Crucial Ballistix  Samsung 830 series 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD Black Asus 24x Windows 7 Asus 24in  
MonitorPowerCase
27in 1440p Auria CM 750 600T 
  hide details  
Reply
Main Rig
(13 items)
 
Secondary Rig
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k MSI Z77A-GD65 Gigabyte 780 OC Gigabyte 780 OC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Ripjaw  Samsung F3  Samsung 830  Asus CD-Rom 
CoolingMonitorMonitorPower
Cooler master hyper 212+  Asus  27in 1440p Auria EQ276W 760 Watt Silencer 
Case
Haf 912 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k ASRock Z77 Pro4-M 290 XFX DD R9 280X Gigabyte 
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
R9 280X MSI Gaming R9 280X Power Cooler Crucial Ballistix  Samsung 830 series 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD Black Asus 24x Windows 7 Asus 24in  
MonitorPowerCase
27in 1440p Auria CM 750 600T 
  hide details  
Reply
post #122 of 181
they could be right but the fact is Valve hates Microsoft since the launch of Windows 8 , Gaben wrote an article about it too slamming MS for trying to take over PC gaming by force
post #123 of 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

Xbox 1 is using a DX12 variant, making the PS4 an odd one out.

So if you have 3 platforms to develop for, and 2 of them are already using similar API's...why would the optimal solution just be "screw it all, I'll use Vulcan for PC, DX12 for X1, (Insert name of API) for PS4
Fair enough, that makes sense.
But Vulkan isn't just PC, its Win 7, 8, 8.1 and 10, as well as Mac and Linux, while DX12 is waiting for everyone to catch up to be compatible. I feel this gives Vulkan time to still get in while people are still adapting to the DX12 standard, while Vulkan is, from what I understand, is compatible with any OpenGL 4.X compatible card. This should give good support to hardware that is already a few generations old
Nothing V2
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 2500k @ 4.7GHz Asrock z77 Extreme4 Club3D R9 290 Corsair Vengance 8GB 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Corsair 120GB SSD Samsung 1.5TB Samsung 1TB Samsung DVD-RAM 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Thermaltake Frio Window 7 Ultimate Samsung BX2450 LG W2343S 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse Pad
Razor Blackwidow Corsair TX750W Coolermaster CM690 Gigabyte Ghost 
Audio
Asus Xonar DX 
  hide details  
Reply
Nothing V2
(17 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 2500k @ 4.7GHz Asrock z77 Extreme4 Club3D R9 290 Corsair Vengance 8GB 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Corsair 120GB SSD Samsung 1.5TB Samsung 1TB Samsung DVD-RAM 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Thermaltake Frio Window 7 Ultimate Samsung BX2450 LG W2343S 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse Pad
Razor Blackwidow Corsair TX750W Coolermaster CM690 Gigabyte Ghost 
Audio
Asus Xonar DX 
  hide details  
Reply
post #124 of 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by N3G4T1v3 View Post

Fair enough, that makes sense.
But Vulkan isn't just PC, its Win 7, 8, 8.1 and 10, as well as Mac and Linux, while DX12 is waiting for everyone to catch up to be compatible. I feel this gives Vulkan time to still get in while people are still adapting to the DX12 standard, while Vulkan is, from what I understand, is compatible with any OpenGL 4.X compatible card. This should give good support to hardware that is already a few generations old
what you mean "isnt just pc" pc is everything you mention tbh
post #125 of 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by kx11 View Post

they could be right but the fact is Valve hates Microsoft since the launch of Windows 8 , Gaben wrote an article about it too slamming MS for trying to take over PC gaming by force

They were afraid that MS's walled garden will threaten Steam's walled garden and spit out BS about how MS will forbid installing software from anywhere but MS Store. They love to ride on the hatred towards WIN8 that generated among public at that time and they knew so-called gamers would definitely jump on their bandwagon against MS. It's been few years already and we are still able to install our games whatever the way we want. They are corporations and they are no different. Steam wants you to play games only on Steam (OS) and MS wants you to play games only on Windows (Xbox). The only difference here is MS does not say no no no don't play games using Steam client while Steam is actively trying to persuade people to move away from Windows.
post #126 of 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by airfathaaaaa View Post

right now? pretty much everything on source 2 which means at the moment only dota 2

Vulkan is not out yet because no driver support. Dota 2 is on source2 but till we get drivers, we cannot play on its Vulkan API backend.

I also wonder when Vulkan will be out, very excited.
Cute PC
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4930k@4200 Sabertooth x79 R9 290 Tri-X@950/1250 4x4GB@2133CL9 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial BX100 Mugen 4 Win7 Benq xl2411z 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
NEC EA231WMi QPad-MK50 (reds) Seasonic S12G 750 Define R4  
MouseMouse PadAudio
Deathadder 3.5G BE Razer Goliathus Speed Edition Large Onboard 
  hide details  
Reply
Cute PC
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4930k@4200 Sabertooth x79 R9 290 Tri-X@950/1250 4x4GB@2133CL9 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial BX100 Mugen 4 Win7 Benq xl2411z 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
NEC EA231WMi QPad-MK50 (reds) Seasonic S12G 750 Define R4  
MouseMouse PadAudio
Deathadder 3.5G BE Razer Goliathus Speed Edition Large Onboard 
  hide details  
Reply
post #127 of 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by airfathaaaaa View Post

what you mean "isnt just pc" pc is everything you mention tbh

I'm a mac and I'm a pc.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 8700k z370 gaming 7 evga 980 ti 32 Corsair 3200 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
samsung 950 HP dual layer Windows 7 64 27 dell ips  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
G15 1050 evga corsair 540 air G900 
Mouse Pad
generic 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 8700k z370 gaming 7 evga 980 ti 32 Corsair 3200 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
samsung 950 HP dual layer Windows 7 64 27 dell ips  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
G15 1050 evga corsair 540 air G900 
Mouse Pad
generic 
  hide details  
Reply
post #128 of 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tivan View Post

Vulkan is not out yet because no driver support. Dota 2 is on source2 but till we get drivers, we cannot play on its Vulkan API backend.

I also wonder when Vulkan will be out, very excited.

To be honest, DOTA is probably the last game to actually need Vulkan or DX12 support. There are smartphones that nearly meet the minimum specs for that game.

What I am sad about is that Valve's anti-MS stance is jading them toward DX12. They are no longer a neutral developer, they are a publisher fiercely defending against the perceived threat of the MS store. Whichever API turns out to be "better" (personally I doubt there will be much in it), you can guarantee Valve will go with Vulkan.

That bias also, sadly, renders their opinion and public statements on the two APIs completely worthless.
Serigatum
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4770k @ 4.7Ghz Asus P87 Deluxe EVGA GTX 780 Corsair Vengeance 2400Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Raid0: 2x512GB Samsung 840 Pro 2GB WD Black NZXT Kraken x60 Windows 8 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2412M Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Corsair AX850 NZXT Phantom 820 
Mouse
Razer Ouroboros 
  hide details  
Reply
Serigatum
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4770k @ 4.7Ghz Asus P87 Deluxe EVGA GTX 780 Corsair Vengeance 2400Mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Raid0: 2x512GB Samsung 840 Pro 2GB WD Black NZXT Kraken x60 Windows 8 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2412M Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Corsair AX850 NZXT Phantom 820 
Mouse
Razer Ouroboros 
  hide details  
Reply
post #129 of 181
Quote:
Originally Posted by NihilOC View Post

To be honest, DOTA is probably the last game to actually need Vulkan or DX12 support. There are smartphones that nearly meet the minimum specs for that game.

What I am sad about is that Valve's anti-MS stance is jading them toward DX12. They are no longer a neutral developer, they are a publisher fiercely defending against the perceived threat of the MS store. Whichever API turns out to be "better" (personally I doubt there will be much in it), you can guarantee Valve will go with Vulkan.

That bias also, sadly, renders their opinion and public statements on the two APIs completely worthless.


Actually Dota 2 greatly needs it. For some reason with new Reborn client performance is way down compare to Source 1. I used to stay 120 fps everywhere but now it drops to 90 fps. Custom games also will benefit greatly.
Ishimura
(21 items)
 
Silent Knight
(13 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3770K @ 4.6GHz ASRock Z77E-ITX eVGA GTX 1080 Ti Hybrid AVEXIR Blitz 1.1 16GB DDR3-2400MHz CL10 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
SanDisk Ultra II 960GB Toshiba X300 5TB Corsair H100i GTX eVGA Hybrid Water Cooler  
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
4x GentleTyphoon AP-15 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit LG OLED55C7P  Razer BlackWidow Chroma  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
eVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3 Define Nano S Logitech G502 Proteus Core PECHAM Gaming Mouse Pad XX-Large 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Audioengine D1 DAC Mackie CR Series CR3 Audio-Technica ATH-M50 Sennheiser HD 598 
Audio
Sony XB950BT 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 955 @ 4.2GHz ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB @ 1200/1500 2x 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
OCZ Agility 3 60GB WD Caviar Green 1.5TB 2 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB XSPC Raystorm 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
EK-FC7970 XSPC RS360 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit Corsair TX750 
Case
NZXT Switch 810  
  hide details  
Reply
Ishimura
(21 items)
 
Silent Knight
(13 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 3770K @ 4.6GHz ASRock Z77E-ITX eVGA GTX 1080 Ti Hybrid AVEXIR Blitz 1.1 16GB DDR3-2400MHz CL10 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
SanDisk Ultra II 960GB Toshiba X300 5TB Corsair H100i GTX eVGA Hybrid Water Cooler  
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
4x GentleTyphoon AP-15 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit LG OLED55C7P  Razer BlackWidow Chroma  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
eVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3 Define Nano S Logitech G502 Proteus Core PECHAM Gaming Mouse Pad XX-Large 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Audioengine D1 DAC Mackie CR Series CR3 Audio-Technica ATH-M50 Sennheiser HD 598 
Audio
Sony XB950BT 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 955 @ 4.2GHz ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB @ 1200/1500 2x 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
OCZ Agility 3 60GB WD Caviar Green 1.5TB 2 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB XSPC Raystorm 
CoolingCoolingOSPower
EK-FC7970 XSPC RS360 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit Corsair TX750 
Case
NZXT Switch 810  
  hide details  
Reply
post #130 of 181
OMG! Stop comparing Windows to search engines and websites !!!!

PLEASE !

I can use facebook and google to the extent beyond your imaginations and I can still whine about Windows. What's wrong with you some people ?

Do no compare any OS to search engines or websites.

On Topic, BS is BS. They are too deep with Vulkan, they can't backtrack and go Dx12, bad mouthing a rival API is belittling yourself not them. Keep your mouth shut and prove Vulkan is better "WHEN" there are games to compare.
Edited by Catscratch - 9/25/15 at 6:27pm
Intel Evilnow
(18 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500k 4ghz @ Offset -0.015 Asus P8P67 Evo (bios 3207) Sapphire 280x Tri-x 3GB OC (Stock 1020/1500 Non... G.Skill RipjawsX 2x4gb 1866mhz 9-10-9-28-2n @ 1.5v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
SHSS37A120G WD5000AAKX-001CA0 WD20EARX WD20EZRZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD5001AALS-00L3B2 (Now External) ASUS DRW-1814BLT Noctua NH-u12p SE2 Windows 10 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus VH242H Wobbly Stand :) Microsoft Ergo 4000 Enermax Infiniti 650 (28a,28a,30a) Cooler Master haf 912 Advanced 
MouseOther
A4tech x7 F3 Sunbeam RHK-EX-BA Rheobus-Extreme Fan Controlle... 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II x6 1090t BE 3.6/4.0 Turbo@def.volt MSI K9A2 Platinum v1 Sapphire HD6850 1GB 850/1100@def.volt Kingston 2x2gb Hyperx 1066 5-5-5-15 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOS
Western Digital WD5001AALS Seagate Barracuda ST3250410AS Asus DRW-1814BLT Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus VH242H 23.6" Wobbly Stand :D Microsoft Ergo 4000 Enermax Infiniti 650w (28a,28a,30a) Thermaltake Kandalf SuperTower 
Mouse
A4 tech Swop-3 
  hide details  
Reply
Intel Evilnow
(18 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 2500k 4ghz @ Offset -0.015 Asus P8P67 Evo (bios 3207) Sapphire 280x Tri-x 3GB OC (Stock 1020/1500 Non... G.Skill RipjawsX 2x4gb 1866mhz 9-10-9-28-2n @ 1.5v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
SHSS37A120G WD5000AAKX-001CA0 WD20EARX WD20EZRZ 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD5001AALS-00L3B2 (Now External) ASUS DRW-1814BLT Noctua NH-u12p SE2 Windows 10 Pro 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus VH242H Wobbly Stand :) Microsoft Ergo 4000 Enermax Infiniti 650 (28a,28a,30a) Cooler Master haf 912 Advanced 
MouseOther
A4tech x7 F3 Sunbeam RHK-EX-BA Rheobus-Extreme Fan Controlle... 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II x6 1090t BE 3.6/4.0 Turbo@def.volt MSI K9A2 Platinum v1 Sapphire HD6850 1GB 850/1100@def.volt Kingston 2x2gb Hyperx 1066 5-5-5-15 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOS
Western Digital WD5001AALS Seagate Barracuda ST3250410AS Asus DRW-1814BLT Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus VH242H 23.6" Wobbly Stand :D Microsoft Ergo 4000 Enermax Infiniti 650w (28a,28a,30a) Thermaltake Kandalf SuperTower 
Mouse
A4 tech Swop-3 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Software News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Software News › [TweakTown] Valve isn't excited over DX12, but talks up the Vulkan API