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Originally Posted by Mand12 View Post

Two words:

Hell no.

CM is screwed until it comes time to negotiate. And even then, whenever it comes to negotiate a *new* product, you can be damn sure AMD is going to remember this.

If it is found to infringe, it wouldn't matter about negotiations price, it would be barred from sale.
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post #42 of 176
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Thanks! The Gamersenexus editorial did a good job without being so alarmist. I love OC3D, but who ever ripped off the post did it in an atrocious way. I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has about the lawsuit or Asetek. smile.gif

 

Here is a question: When is the company that you work for going to stop being a plague on this industry? 

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Thanks! The Gamersenexus editorial did a good job without being so alarmist. I love OC3D, but who ever ripped off the post did it in an atrocious way. I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has about the lawsuit or Asetek. smile.gif

Don't get me wrong without actually seeing patent schematics for both coolers. I can not do anymore than be speculative of it being an incredibly vague patent. Where companies can get away with that today it's brilliant for a CEO, just kind of trolly. So what does make the patent genuinely infringing?
Edited by SpeedyVT - 9/23/15 at 4:59pm
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post #44 of 176
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Here is a question: When is the company that you work for going to stop being a plague on this industry? 

Hey, nice to meet you too.

Asetek introduced the pump on coldplate design, Asetek was awarded a patent. Asetek spent the R&D over the years to improve and refine it in to the modern AIO you know now, Asetek was awarded another patent. On all 29 accounts of infringement involving the patents the jury (real normal people) found the patents to be valid and to be infringed upon.

A pump on a cold plate is ubiquitous now. It was until Asetek did it first.

Coolermaster was especially lazy in their copying of the Asetek design. The components were literally interchangeable.




Asetek has historically been conservative in the diversity of the solutions produced. I am personally interested in applying our patented technology in many different ways to support the market's demand and am working to make this happen.

Thanks, Rob
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post #45 of 176
why do i suddenly have the desire to buy a fury X?
like buy it RIGHT NOW?!

nvrm none in stock . . . must be the news hit already. tongue.gif
i am joking
Edited by looniam - 9/23/15 at 5:13pm
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post #46 of 176
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Don't get me wrong without actually seeing patent schematics for both coolers. I can not do anymore than be speculative of it being an incredibly vague patent. Where companies can get away with that today it's brilliant for a CEO, just kind of trolly. So what does make the patent genuinely infringing?

Yup, you're correct. That's why it's even speculation for me. I understand where your coming from. I truly know very little about patents and the old tech story that everyone loves to tell is about Ultra and their modular power supplies. Ultra had launched and patented the first DIY PSU's with modular cables and the absolutely refused to license it. Many competitors believed the patent was a joke and began to launch their own versions. Eventually the patent was challenged in court and prior art was found (Apple Lisa PSU IIRC), this devastated Ultra and eventually bankrupted them. This is not what has happened here. Asetek did a thing, they did it first, they requested a patent, and they were granted a patent. The patent was challenged many times in court by several companies and has come out stronger each time. I understand the consumer frustration about Asetek's disinterest in licensing the patent and I do believe that we should be much more willing to apply our patent on products that are outside our core business (open loops, bigger pumps, etc...). These are things we're slowly making strides towards.
Edited by Retell - 9/23/15 at 5:16pm
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post #47 of 176
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Coolermaster have to pay,not AMD..who are also probably buying a contract amount at a contract price. They wont feel any financial pain whatsoever.

Worst case? They go to another OEM.

That is mostly correct but if Coolermaster is prohibited from delivering the product to AMD as the injunction seems to be ordering them to stop then AMD needs to find a new supplier to get similarly spec'd solution into the supply chain causing disruption. Obviously AMD can sue CMI for failure to perform and probably has some language in their contract that spells out what that is now.

The problem for AMD in that case is that they will have to find a vendor. The first option is an Asetek licensed design that meets specs. The second AMD does that Asetek will sue AMD and start interogatorying and depositioning to find AMD acknowledging that they are choosing an infringing product to save money over a conforming product. AMD will lose when an email from an engineer or something says something like "CMI can modify the BANNED PRODUCT A to make it cost effective and available".

The other option is finding a compliant option that has no relation to Aseteks licensing but causes delays to the production pipeline as things are changed.

Both bad for AMD.
Edited by dave12 - 9/23/15 at 5:20pm
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post #48 of 176
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Here is a question: When is the company that you work for going to stop being a plague on this industry? 

The quote in your sig makes your post seem even sillier than it already was. If patents have been infringed upon they have every right to seek compensation.
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post #49 of 176
Too bad AMD has no custom PCB options. The NANO & Fury X would be sick with custom PCB options.
I'd buy one if there was an MSI Lightning NANO. Or at least a big thick cooling solution from someone.
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post #50 of 176
Seems like a natural thing, mounting the pump to the coldplate.

Why have an inlet and discharge hose for such a small area in a single component loop? It doesn't take a genius to see that you need to eliminate those hoses and connections to improve reliability and achieve a compact form factor while not intruding upon space needed for the video output and heatsink on either side of the GPU.
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