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Yeah no. I have seen so many guys buying high end gpus and leaving them @stock. It's not black or white , i think it is more gray.

Every Titan Owner I know, doesnt know how to overclock...

Every 980ti owner I know, knows how to overclock, which in my theory, the smart guy would buy a 980ti.
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I don't think anyone here is in a position to make general definitive statements about what others do with cards, but I suspect (and only suspect) that high end cards are more likely to be bought by enthusiasts who are more likely to overclock than non-enthusiasts. Your last sentence that I quoted definitely strikes me as strange.

Even if the enthusiasts themselves don't overclock, the AIBs they purchase from do. Here's Newegg's list for all available 980 Ti models:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=980+ti&N=100007709%20600358543&isNodeId=1

It may not correlate with purchase numbers however reference models (in total) only have 75 reviews. Aftermarket/custom ones (ie. overclocked) have 557.

That's a huge disparity between reference and factory-overclocked models, not to mention those with reference models who are still overclocking themselves. Consider these are enthusiast-tier $700 video cards (for a more informed or discerning niche), aren't sold in Best Buy to the average Joe, and that many video cards these days don't even launch with official reference models (yet can sell like hotcakes; ex. GTX 970)... I'd say it's a fair and logical assessment to say most 980 Ti owners are not running them at Nvidia's throttling stock speeds.
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This,for me anyway.
I OC them when i first install to get the numbers then they get reverted to stock. Need more frames? Add more cards.

My gpu most of the time is rendering so i cant afford to overclock (ecc problems,instability). Then i am not maniac to see on every single settings ultra high so i can negotiate.

It's a matter of boredom mostly for me to actually overclock. And noise oh god i hate noise.
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I don't think anyone here is in a position to make general definitive statements about what others do with cards, but I suspect (and only suspect) that high end cards are more likely to be bought by enthusiasts who are more likely to overclock than non-enthusiasts. Your last sentence that I quoted definitely strikes me as strange.

I have to agree. If you are buying a high end card and aren't overclocking it at least a little bit that is strange. Plus Maxwell scales so well without even having to touch voltage that not overclocking Maxwell almost seems like a crime.

Also for pro AMD folks, wasn't the argument from you guys concerning overclocking much different when the 7970 was the flagship AMD card?
Edited by criminal - 9/24/15 at 2:37pm
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This,for me anyway.
I OC them when i first install to get the numbers then they get reverted to stock. Need more frames? Add more cards.

My gpu most of the time is rendering so i cant afford to overclock (ecc problems,instability). Then i am not maniac to see on every single settings ultra high so i can negotiate.

It's a matter of boredom mostly for me to actually overclock. And noise oh god i hate noise.
I have similar concerns. I also tend to hold on to cards for longer. I watercool so noise isnt a concern,longevity is. The net gain isnt worth it for me.
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post #126 of 443
It's hilarious how people are trying to rationalize what they are seeing. Which is pretty much what Nvidia said was going to happen. Obviously just as one shouldn't take a single benchmark as gospel for future performance.. people shouldn't assume that things will be this way with all games.


I can say that for myself, this is pretty much exactly what I thought was going to happen, because Nvidia said it from the start.

And as I said before, the biggest joke out of this whole thing is the 390x/Fury/FuryX. AMD is making their own flagship look like a pretty bad proposition at the moment.

Anyway, now that this is done, on to Deus Ex to see if there is a trend beginning biggrin.gifwink.gif
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I just want to say, that we are getting a bit offtopic smile.gif
Also, not all non-reference cards are OC'ed by AIB. Actually, not much are OC'ed, only AIB's such as ASUS and EVGA are doing more than slight clock increase as far i have seen. My PC 6950 was with reference clocks, so were most of the other AIB verisons, only XFX and Sapphire had boosted clocks.
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I have similar concerns. I also tend to hold on to cards for longer. I watercool so noise isnt a concern,longevity is. The net gain isnt worth it for me.

Sorry, that's a poor excuse to not overclock unless you intend to run absurd amounts of voltage or clock speeds that have not thoroughly been tested for stability.
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Both AMD and Nvidia have probably designed upcoming GPUs with DX12 in mind. Anything else would be stupid
If directx 12 is using async compute and similar functions like mantle, it will take advantage of GCN architecture wink.gif
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AMD really has some explaining to do with Fury X. To me its seems that in DX12 the difference is very small between Fury X and 390X. 4096SP should be able to make a difference even if other parts of the card are not changed as much.
If it has a bottleneck raster/rops wise being raster bound dont expect it to be outperforming Hawaii GPUs also the RBEs are the same
Edited by PontiacGTX - 9/24/15 at 2:48pm
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One thing, which I know will be controversial as a statement, is that everyone is looking at Fury-X and scratching their heads... I'm not. I expected as much when I made my statements in the Ashes of the Singularity thread. I hate to repeat this line of reasoning but I feel is it warranted.

Fury-X will have a longer shelf life than a GTX 980 Ti. I don't care if you don't believe me but it is nonetheless the truth.

Right now around 20% of a Games engine occurs in Compute. This trend has been growing, in small increments, for some time (hence why a 290x went from being 10% slower than a GTX 780 Ti to 5% slower and now with DX12, far faster).

DX12 will accelerate this process, moving game development away from the traditional Graphics pipeline and into the Compute pipeline. The next iteration of the Nitro engine will be 50/50 (Compute/Graphic). While the Fury-X holds its own as is right now, its front end is its weakness (Graphics). As game Engines move towards compute, it will flex its muscle. This isn't an "if" statement but rather a matter of certainty (everyone who doubts me should listen to what the Vulcan and DX12 programmers and devs are saying and the white papers they're releasing).

We have another example of a 290x with the Fiji lineup. At launch, appears to be underwhelming but with time shows its merits.

As for Arctic Islands, I have no doubt that AMD will re-work the front end of that architecture but I think they'll boost the compute efficiency of the GCN architecture. I wouldn't be surprised to see it contain less ALUs than Fiji yet more efficient ALUs. I just don't see the viability of scaling more and more Compute Units without improving the efficiency of each ALU which permeates the CUs.

We will find ourselves, 2 years from now, having the same conversation we're having with the 290/390 series (Hawaii/Grenada) but this time in relation to Fiji. By this time nobody will be discussing the GTX 980 Ti, same way nobody is discussing the GTX 780 Ti.

I don't think this strategy is paying off for AMD though. Not because it isn't obvious to anyone who understands GPU architectures and the direction of the industry (devs) but rather because of the short sighted fixation with benchmarks and bragging rights amongst PC enthusiasts. Most enthusiasts are looking for short term gains rather than having the required knowledge to hedge their bets over the long-term. Most enthusiasts also get "bored" with their GPUs and always want something newer (like an iPhone consumerist).

As for me, I am a recovering consumerist. I'm looking to spend a decent amount of money for something which will grant me the best returns on my investment. As it stands... nVIDIA doesn't fit the bill. I, however, understand that I am in the minority having worked in the industry.

It's all about your personality. The choices which you make reflect your personality. I'm not about to hate on anyone for their own choices (provided those choices don't end up hurting consumers).

Peace.
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