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What I'm more interested about are the Vulcan benches as I have no intention to move to W10 in near future. Are the performance differences related to async compute and other "DX12 features" also present in vulcan benches, do we even have any vulcan benches atm?
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GCN = Code async Compute as you like.
Maxwell 2 = Have to watch out for long drawn calls and have to abstain from context switching.

GCN = 20 % Market Share
Maxwell 2 = 80% Market Share

No need to be Einstein to understand what arch will obtain more efforts from devs.
It will be totally dumb for a studio to privilege AMD and see your sales going down.
If AMD want it, they will have to pay exclusivity and they don't have the money for that.
DX12 supremacy is an AMD technical PR trick for now and time will tell. Acts are better than speeches.
Edited by Olivon - 9/24/15 at 11:40pm
post #163 of 443
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Originally Posted by cc0537 View Post

Err... I don't quite care for the green vs red piss fights but you have lots of wrong ideas. This is the 2nd DX12 benchmark... Fable DX12 is Unreal... UE4. It's a canned benchmark for the most part but I don't think anyone calls it broken.

Secondly, AMD is performing better overall. Frames are more consistent, mid range AMD cards are in the lead even at 1/2 the price of their Nvidia counterparts and in order to win the top end the 980 TI was overclocked by 40%. At the end of the day it doesn't matter IMO. The difference is performance is too minimal here from either green or red camp IMO. It just comes down to price between the 290/390/980.

AMD cards with the exclusion of Fiji cards have generally better value than Nvidia cards. What on earth have that got to do with DX12?
"More consistent frames"? What? Fiji cards stutter a lot more than Nvidia cards, 390X doesnt perform any better in DX12 than GTX 980. Its just a little faster in 4K in general no matter if its DX11 or DX12.

And no, its not a canned benchmark just because it use different DX12 feature sets than Oxide benchmark. This is the reality of upcoming DX12 games. AMD may do better in Async Compute but Nvidia does better in illumination, compute shader work and GBuffer rendering according to Anandtech

And yes, finally a thing I agree on, the difference in performance between the two camps are looking to be minimal in the end. Thats what Im saying. DX12 is not looking to boost AMD cards over Nvidia cards like so many here have said after oxide benchmark was tested.
Edited by iLeakStuff - 9/24/15 at 11:48pm
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GCN = 20 % Market Share
Maxwell 2 = 80% Market Share

No need to be Einstein to understand what arch will obtain more efforts from devs.
It will be totally dumb for a studio to privilege AMD and see your sales going down.
If AMD want it, they will have to pay exclusivity and they don't have the money for that.
DX12 supremacy is an AMD technical PR trick for now and time will tell. Acts are better than speeches.

total market share != architecture market share. Nvidia owns ~80% of the dgpu market, but not 100% of that 80 is maxwell 2(the majority is most likely still fermi and kepler)

market share is also relative if you decide to include console as well, as async is already implemented/planned in AAA titles on the console front which already runs on GCN for sure
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90% of people don't overclock, have a look at all the streamers/YouTubers who own high-end cards, almost none of them overclock.

But we are OC.net and we care about overclocking. I could have bought Fury X but I know it is dud overclocker and a 1.5 GHz 980 Ti will absolutely smash it for the same price, not to mention it is only a 4 GB card, so it is a no go for me. When games start using Async or whatever I will already have my next GPU. and I will get the best high-end for the price, no matter if it is AMD or Nvidia.
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total market share != architecture market share. Nvidia owns ~80% of the dgpu market, but not 100% of that 80 is maxwell 2(the majority is most likely still fermi and kepler)

market share is also relative if you decide to include console as well, as async is already implemented/planned in AAA titles on the console front which already runs on GCN for sure


I think you are mixing up last quarter sales and total market share.
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Fury lineup doesn't seem to have that much over the previous 290X for the premium it demands. Maybe in a year Fury will have a greater lead over the 390/290X cards, and with the 8 GB options on the 'older' GCN arch you are pretty much set for those wonderful console ports that like copious amounts of Vram for no reason.

Good thing so many people are jumping on Windows 10 with all of its benefits it offers to us...
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total market share != architecture market share. Nvidia owns ~80% of the dgpu market, but not 100% of that 80 is maxwell 2(the majority is most likely still fermi and kepler)

market share is also relative if you decide to include console as well, as async is already implemented/planned in AAA titles on the console front which already runs on GCN for sure

Architecture market share? Is that a new thing now? tongue.gif
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Architecture market share? Is that a new thing now? tongue.gif
Before throwing false crap numbers, at least see if you can say something smart. 20/80% is false even for last quarter market share (real one is 76/24%).

And regarding the UE4 benchmark from week ago - that is a broken benchmark, because no DX12 features are used at all, just a DX12 port with slapped name on it. And the results for various GPU's vary greatly for no reason.


This Fable Legends benchmark uses UE4, and provides more realistic data while making some proper use of DX12 features. This means that this is 2nd part of the 2nd benchmark, not a entirely 3rd one.

Also, what is with the stuttering ? See the ExtreemeTech graphs, and you will see that the AMD GPU's are providing much more smooth frame times than nVidia. You basically threw a big bag of false information.
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This is a huge contradiction in just a few sentences.

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But we are OC.net and we care about overclocking.

Congratulations to both of you for completely missing my point..

The AMD argument is: 90% of people don't overclock so overclocking results don't matter.rolleyes.gif

The Nvidia argument is: Most people who buy high-end cards overclock them, so the overclocked numbers are the only ones that matter.

My underlying point was that it's personal preference, it's the individuals choice to overclock or not. So the AMD loyal's can put their fingers in their ears and pretend overclocking doesn't exist to make the Fury X look better, and the Nvidia loyal's can pretend that everyone overclocks to make the Ti look better.

At the end of the day, the best card for you, is the one that meets your requirements. There are many reasons someone may not want to overclock, so they can ignore the overclocked numbers, overclocking applies to people like me, so i'll include them.
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