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Originally Posted by funky882 View Post

We need a proper DX12 benchmark that actually gets RELEASED to the public for fair testing and real world performance. Not this "Hey they overclocked their cards" or "They are using older drivers".

God, can we please get something like the DX11 Heaven Benchmark? That was awesome to run and really showed off what tessellation was and what it could be. I remember running it for the first time on my 5850...Good times. smile.gif
Ashes of the singlarity...which shows similar results to these
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One thing, which I know will be controversial as a statement, is that everyone is looking at Fury-X and scratching their heads... I'm not. I expected as much when I made my statements in the Ashes of the Singularity thread. I hate to repeat this line of reasoning but I feel is it warranted.

Fury-X will have a longer shelf life than a GTX 980 Ti. I don't care if you don't believe me but it is nonetheless the truth.

Right now around 20% of a Games engine occurs in Compute. This trend has been growing, in small increments, for some time (hence why a 290x went from being 10% slower than a GTX 780 Ti to 5% slower and now with DX12, far faster).

DX12 will accelerate this process, moving game development away from the traditional Graphics pipeline and into the Compute pipeline. The next iteration of the Nitro engine will be 50/50 (Compute/Graphic). While the Fury-X holds its own as is right now, its front end is its weakness (Graphics). As game Engines move towards compute, it will flex its muscle. This isn't an "if" statement but rather a matter of certainty (everyone who doubts me should listen to what the Vulcan and DX12 programmers and devs are saying and the white papers they're releasing).

We have another example of a 290x with the Fiji lineup. At launch, appears to be underwhelming but with time shows its merits.

As for Arctic Islands, I have no doubt that AMD will re-work the front end of that architecture but I think they'll boost the compute efficiency of the GCN architecture. I wouldn't be surprised to see it contain less ALUs than Fiji yet more efficient ALUs. I just don't see the viability of scaling more and more Compute Units without improving the efficiency of each ALU which permeates the CUs.

We will find ourselves, 2 years from now, having the same conversation we're having with the 290/390 series (Hawaii/Grenada) but this time in relation to Fiji. By this time nobody will be discussing the GTX 980 Ti, same way nobody is discussing the GTX 780 Ti.

I don't think this strategy is paying off for AMD though. Not because it isn't obvious to anyone who understands GPU architectures and the direction of the industry (devs) but rather because of the short sighted fixation with benchmarks and bragging rights amongst PC enthusiasts. Most enthusiasts are looking for short term gains rather than having the required knowledge to hedge their bets over the long-term. Most enthusiasts also get "bored" with their GPUs and always want something newer (like an iPhone consumerist).

As for me, I am a recovering consumerist. I'm looking to spend a decent amount of money for something which will grant me the best returns on my investment. As it stands... nVIDIA doesn't fit the bill. I, however, understand that I am in the minority having worked in the industry.

It's all about your personality. The choices which you make reflect your personality. I'm not about to hate on anyone for their own choices (provided those choices don't end up hurting consumers).

Peace.

Great post, I don't know what I think of the Fury X having a longer shelf time than the 980 Ti, but I do know the Fury X will really begin to show it's power when DX12 Games arrive.

GCN was wonderfully designed for something like DX12 since it's creation, and the 290X and Fury X's 8 ACEs are a game changer when properly utilized.

I've been studying GCN for years, and I've read pages and pages of documents about the capabilities of the Asynchronous Compute Engines, and what developers can and have been doing with them.
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Ashes of the singlarity...whuch shows similar results to these

I'm not disputing one team is superior to the other, I love both. I'm just expressing my distaste for the lack of a fully baked DX12 benchmark that we can all play with.

I hate having to piece together what real world performance will be like based off all the biased, shady tests and reviews. Frankly, despite me just having bought a GTX 980, I would like AMD to win.

It's just I want to play with a fun new benchmark is all.
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I'm not disputing one team is superior to the other, I love both. I'm just expressing my distaste for the lack of a fully baked DX12 benchmark that we can all play with.

I hate having to piece together what real world performance will be like based off all the biased, shady tests and reviews. Frankly, despite me just having bought a GTX 980, I would like AMD to win.

It's just I want to play with a fun new benchmark is all.

Likewise, soon hopefully. Real soon.
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Why the hell they are treating like a Titan is beyond me, the only thing Titan-esque about it is the HBM, and even then it's only 4 gigs..

Yeah, it definitely doesn't hurt, i was just saying it isn't mandatory.

Full chip of similar die size.
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I do know the Fury X will really begin to show it's power when DX12 Games arrive

As I'm following some of this discussion, I think I'm going to laugh at quite a few of you when, in 1-2 years, the Fury X's relative position is not more than +/- 10% changed compared to GM200 cards. Some of you are attempting to create real mountains out of theoretical molehills. rolleyes.gif

You know what DX12 games will show us? The same thing that new games always show... that games get more demanding over time, the Fury X and GM200 are all old news, and that we need new cards from both AMD and Nvidia to achieve top performance.
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As I'm following some of this discussion, I think I'm going to laugh at quite a few of you when, in 1-2 years, the Fury X's relative position is not more than +/- 10% changed compared to GM200 cards. Some of you are attempting to create real mountains out of theoretical molehills. rolleyes.gif

You know what DX12 games will show us? The same thing that new games always show... that games get more demanding over time, the Fury X and GM200 are all old news, and that we need new cards from both AMD and Nvidia to achieve top performance.

Well look at 290X. Still amazing and relevant card.
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What good are DX12 benchmarks on DX11 cards?

When some true folly DX12 compliant cards come out I'll be interested, but IMO it's pretty useless doing DX12 benchmarks on hardware that doesn't fully support all DX12 features, and none of these cards support all DX12 features.
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What good are DX12 benchmarks on DX11 cards?

When some true folly DX12 compliant cards come out I'll be interested, but IMO it's pretty useless doing DX12 benchmarks on hardware that doesn't fully support all DX12 features, and none of these cards support all DX12 features.
If its running on Xbox then current cards (GCN) can handle it except the FL12_1
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290x>780TI in majority of the recent benchmarks. Not same level, 290x is ahead.

Cherry picking is fun, isn't it?

Anyways, here's the one resolution it wins at. 1% VICTORY FANBOIZ REJOICE 780TI IS TEH SUXXXXXORRRRRR AMD FFFFFFFTTTTTTWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!




A 1% performance advantage TOTALLY puts the 290X on a different level than the 780 Ti. rolleyes.gif
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